I've read elsewhere that Saturn will be moving entirely towards the Opel/Vauxhaul line of cars with as few changes as possible. In other words the complete opposite of what Ford is doing.
The Saturn Sky, we already know, is being sold as the Opel Sky with only badge changes and apparantly it was announced yesterday that the Opel Astra is coming here completely intact but sold as a Saturn and replace the ION cars. More models to follow in very short order.
Astra:
![[Image: Opel_Astra_OPC_1.jpg]](http://www.mot.sk/Obrazke/Automobily/Opel/Opel_Astra_OPC_1.jpg)
![[Image: Opel_Astra_OPC_2.jpg]](http://www.mot.sk/Obrazke/Automobily/Opel/Opel_Astra_OPC_2.jpg)
![[Image: Opel_Astra_HPC_1.jpg]](http://www.mot.sk/Obrazke/Automobily/Opel/Opel_Astra_HPC_1.jpg)
The Opel line up:
http://www.mot.sk/Gal%C3%A9ria/g_op2.htm
I think they will do really well, especially here in Canada.
papa diesn't work for saturn anymore.
And he could be dead for all we know.
the opel's are nice looking cars... I love the saturn sky.. I'd buy that.
Though not Japanese I see the new direction for Saturn as GM's equivalent to what Mazda means to Ford.
darkpuppet,Mar 7 2006, 10:31 AM Wrote:the opel's are nice looking cars... I love the saturn sky.. I'd buy that.
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I used to have 1996 Opel Vectra also known as Vectra B, no complaints what so ever. If Opel comes to Canada... Bye bye foci :)
Wow... how original. That "OPEL" looks like a Malibu MAXX. Coincidence? I think not...
EDIT: And those look like euro ST wheels.
euro_zx5,Mar 7 2006, 03:11 PM Wrote:Wow... how original. That "OPEL" looks like a Malibu MAXX. Coincidence? I think not...
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i personally think that the Astra looks nothing like a Maxx. The astra is one nice looking car!!!
Funny how people actually seem excited about the General's latest "badge engineering" :huh:
Seriously though, while the cars might look nice (Always a subjective thing) the results will be seen when the cars arrive here. A good looker means jack squat if the thing is a POS (Cadillac Catera anyone?)
It just makes me sad that the General can't find anyone on this side of the pond to pen a car that generates any positive buzz.
NefCanuck
euro_zx5,Mar 7 2006, 11:11 AM Wrote:Wow... how original. That "OPEL" looks like a Malibu MAXX. Coincidence? I think not...
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no no no :) that malibu looks like an OPEL , in fact Opel Omega is a Cadillac Caterra in North America, German Engineering :D
http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640...V6-black-B.jpeg
Nice looking cars. Better looking that most of the saturns now. Except for the Sky which is awesome looking.
AutoWeek | Published 03/07/06, 8:53 am et
GENEVA -- Saturn's future looks a lot like the present-day status of General Motors' British subsidiary, Vauxhall.
Vauxhall slaps its badge on cars created by GM's German subsidiary, Adam Opel AG. That's what Saturn will do, at least in the heart of its car lineup, GM executives said in interviews at the Geneva auto show.
The move is meant to bring European design flair and sporty handling to Saturn. But it's also a sign of GM's move to strip regional and brand executives of authority to modify global decisions in engineering, design and manufacturing.
Saturns still will be built in North America, not Europe. GM executives aren't talking about importing and rebadging vehicles produced at Opel plants overseas, but rather making the identical cars in the United States.
But brand bosses would lose some control. Robert Lutz, GM vice chairman and head of global product development, said that in much of its lineup, "Saturn will be like Vauxhall."
He added: "Now Opel cars will be done for three brands instead of two."
Not 100%
The changes will play out in the heart of the car lineup, with the next Saturn Ion subcompact likely to be a rebadged Opel Astra. Carl-Peter Forster, president of General Motors Europe, said the 2007 Saturn Aura, which replaces the defunct L series mid-sized car in Saturn's lineup, is "clearly Opel-inspired."
The Aura shares the Epsilon mid-sized car platform with the Opel Vectra. GM Europe's design studio in Ruesselsheim, Germany, influenced the styling.
But GM CEO Rick Wagoner said the Opelization of Saturn is not total. The Saturn lineup also will include vehicles exclusive to North America, he said.
One example is the coming Saturn Outlook crossover, built on the Lambda architecture in Lansing, Mich.
Vauxhall derivative
When working with Opel, Saturn officials will participate in initial product planning, Lutz said. But they won't be able to dictate changes.
"Saturn would be involved early on, but I would say they're definitely the junior partner in the relationship," Lutz said.
"The Opel product is good. Does Saturn wish they had an Opel Astra (compact car) instead of a Saturn Ion?"
You bet, Lutz contends.
Lajdziak: 'We feel very good'
Jill Lajdziak, general manager of the Saturn brand, said Saturn and Opel will work together as partners and will make sure products will work in both regions.
"Obviously we feel very good about our relationship with Opel," Lajdziak said. "It's a good example of leveraging GM's global capabilities."
As for replacing the Ion with Opel's Astra, Lajdziak said that Saturn is looking at several alternatives for the Ion, but she declined to discuss those options.
No to regionalism
Lutz clearly has little patience for what he called "the ugly head of regionalism" that results in changes to vehicle designs coming in from another region.
He cited U.S. engineers' decision to soften the ride of the Opel Astra when creating two platform mates, the U.S.-built Pontiac G6 and Chevrolet Malibu. The result, Lutz said, was additional work and inferior vehicle handling.
"Part of it is job protection; part of it is the old regionalism coming through that 'we have our own standards in the United States, and we're not going to pick up what the Europeans do,' " Lutz said.
"We are going to be watching this like a hawk. Nothing gets changed unless it absolutely has to."
The benefit, Lutz said, is in cutting component costs and product development costs. If it can enforce its plan, GM can save as much as 40 percent on engineering costs of new vehicles.
Said Lutz: "This is the advantage of it being my budget and not a regional budget."
^^---- CLASSIC OWNED!
serves the american brand managers right.... about friggin time.
they better brign the 2.0L turbo ecotec over wiht the 6 speed tranny
darkpuppet,Mar 7 2006, 02:31 PM Wrote:^^---- CLASSIC OWNED!
serves the american brand managers right.... about friggin time.
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Agreed, I have to admit some of what Opel has had in its line up over the last 15 years has been very appealing, not to mention very stylish. I know that the Chevy Venture / Pontiac Montanna mini van's were also Opel's design imported here as well.
I wish ford would have stuck with their World car plans with the Focus and kept it all the same, with out changing it. I really hope GM can afford to keep with this and see if it works out, and if it pays off for them we could be seeing some cars in the GM line up worth talking about in a "higher" regard.
Frost__2001,Mar 7 2006, 02:15 PM Wrote:I wish ford would have stuck with their World car plans with the Focus and kept it all the same, with out changing it. I really GM can afford to keep with this and see if it works out.
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Unfortunately, the extremely botched launch of the focus would have put the final nails in that coffin.
zx4_ses,Mar 7 2006, 10:41 AM Wrote:euro_zx5,Mar 7 2006, 11:11 AM Wrote:Wow... how original. That "OPEL" looks like a Malibu MAXX. Coincidence? I think not...
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no no no :) that malibu looks like an OPEL , in fact Opel Omega is a Cadillac Caterra in North America, German Engineering :D
http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640...V6-black-B.jpeg
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Ahhh, thanks for the correction. :)
The design of these cars is beautiful, I admit... but the Maxx... seems out of proportion.
NefCanuck,Mar 7 2006, 03:38 PM Wrote:Funny how people actually seem excited about the General's latest "badge engineering" :huh:
Seriously though, while the cars might look nice (Always a subjective thing) the results will be seen when the cars arrive here. A good looker means jack squat if the thing is a POS (Cadillac Catera anyone?)
It just makes me sad that the General can't find anyone on this side of the pond to pen a car that generates any positive buzz.
NefCanuck
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I agreed with you 110% Seems all the "good" cars came from Europe one way or another. Rape and piledge what Europe gets stick a new badge on it and claim it as yours!
awesome idea I'll give myself a raise.