September 2, 2005
August sales up 7.6 per cent
Richmond Hill, Ontario - Passenger car and light truck sales were up 7.6 per cent, indicating that deep discounting that spread across the market in August is continuing to drive sales, says industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers. GM sales were down 3.8 per cent, while import nameplate vehicles were up 12.8 per cent. Surprisingly, for the first time ever, Ford was outsold not only by GM, but by DaimlerChrysler and Honda. Overall, a total of 142,537 vehicles were sold in Canada in August.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/050902-1.htm
Not entirely surprising, considering the vehicles offered... most notably,
Chyrsler 300 > Ford Five Hundred.
Pacifica > Freestyle
does that mean civic>focus ???
say it aint so!!
Yep... serves ford right. for their shitty cars and shittier service.
Still though
Focus > Sx2.0
Focus > Cobalt
but then
Focus ST < Cobalt SS
Focus ST < SRT 4
It only goes to show that people are starting to be wise to the domestic manufacturers and saw right through this new scam of theres called "Employee Discounts" this will have little effect on the short term and maybe even a negative one in the long term. Domestic Manufacturers should start thinking about customer service and quality instead of trying to beat the Asian Manufacturers on price.
Laterz :)
Look how close Toyota is too. Only a couple hundred units behind.
yeah they were outsold by Honda/Acura, not Honda though
scoobasteve,Sep 2 2005, 11:40 AM Wrote:Yep... serves ford right. for their shitty cars and shittier service.
Still though
Focus > Sx2.0
Focus > Cobalt
but then
Focus ST < Cobalt SS
Focus ST < SRT 4
[right][snapback]138432[/snapback][/right]
Focus < Mazda3
Focus ST < Mazda3 GT
I wouldn't even put the ST in the same catagory as the SS/SRT4. The 05+ Focus is dead to me. Updated engines, but old chassis? Mazda has the updated engines AND chassis. One thing I do agree with on is SERVES FORD RIGHT.
crazikev,Sep 2 2005, 12:57 PM Wrote:yeah they were outsold by Honda/Acura, not Honda though
[right][snapback]138463[/snapback][/right]
Hey "fan boy", :lol:
Ford also includes Lincoln so face the fact they have been routed and will soon fall behind Toyota too. All Toyota has to do is right now is sell 2.5% more cars or have Ford sell 2.5% less and they are there.
Pretty sure their won't be many people rushing out to buy massive Ford trucks or SUV's this month.
See you again when the September numbers come out. ;)
;)
does that include the Honda lawnmower sales too? :lol: Id like to see some of those #s too, see where John Deere is at comapred to this monster, maybe Ford should start getting there engines from Deere, 500HP- 18 speed tranny anyone? :lol:
Well, I don't concern myself with the sales market...I enjoy the car I have a lot, it's been nothing but good to me. Personally, I feel that you get more car for the money in an ST over a M3 GT...I think Ford lost their way with their cars when they started investing most of their resources in the truck R& D...
I don't care how many cars toyota or honda sell...unless you buy the top model of everything, their cars are boring...cookie cutter boring...
2001 ZTS,Sep 2 2005, 01:28 PM Wrote:crazikev,Sep 2 2005, 12:57 PM Wrote:yeah they were outsold by Honda/Acura, not Honda though
[right][snapback]138463[/snapback][/right]
Hey "fan boy", :lol:
Ford also includes Lincoln so face the fact they have been routed and will soon fall behind Toyota too. All Toyota has to do is right now is sell 2.5% more cars or have Ford sell 2.5% less and they are there.
Pretty sure their won't be many people rushing out to buy massive Ford trucks or SUV's this month.
See you again when the September numbers come out. ;)[right][snapback]138468[/snapback][/right]
Well it happened:
October 4, 2005
Car and light truck sales down in September
Richmond Hill, Ontario - Most Japanese automakers' sales were up and domestics were down in September, with an overall 2.4 per cent drop in sales from September of 2004, reports industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.
Sales were as follows:
Manufacturer September 2005 September 2004 Change %
General Motors 32,780 36,738 -10.8
Ford 15,097 15,720 -4.0
Chrysler 16,115 16,970 -5.0
BMW/Mini 1,748 1,871 -6.6
Honda/Acura 11,577 11,171 +3.6
Hyundai 5,745 6,154 -6.6
Kia 2,670 2,635 +1.3
Mazda 6,331 5,417 +16.9
Mercedes-Benz 1,380 1,237 +11.6
Mitsubishi 740 902 -18.0
Nissan/Infiniti 7,085 6,119 +15.8
Porsche 119 141 -15.6
Subaru 1,401 1,422 -1.5
Suzuki 885 731 +21.1
Toyota/Lexus 15,341 14,881 +3.1
VW/Audi 4,040 3,704 +9.1
Land Rover 175 108 +62.0
Jaguar 139 151 -7.9
Volvo 807 1,161 -30.5
Total 124,175 127,233 -2.4
I'm not saying it is good or bad just pointing out I was right and eat my shorts :lol:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/051004-1.htm
2001 ZTS,Oct 5 2005, 09:50 AM Wrote:2001 ZTS,Sep 2 2005, 01:28 PM Wrote:crazikev,Sep 2 2005, 12:57 PM Wrote:yeah they were outsold by Honda/Acura, not Honda though
[right][snapback]138463[/snapback][/right]
Hey "fan boy", :lol:
Ford also includes Lincoln so face the fact they have been routed and will soon fall behind Toyota too. All Toyota has to do is right now is sell 2.5% more cars or have Ford sell 2.5% less and they are there.
Pretty sure their won't be many people rushing out to buy massive Ford trucks or SUV's this month.
See you again when the September numbers come out. ;)[right][snapback]138468[/snapback][/right]
Well it happened:
October 4, 2005
Car and light truck sales down in September
Richmond Hill, Ontario - Most Japanese automakers' sales were up and domestics were down in September, with an overall 2.4 per cent drop in sales from September of 2004, reports industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.
Sales were as follows:
Manufacturer September 2005 September 2004 Change %
General Motors 32,780 36,738 -10.8
Ford 15,097 15,720 -4.0
Chrysler 16,115 16,970 -5.0
BMW/Mini 1,748 1,871 -6.6
Honda/Acura 11,577 11,171 +3.6
Hyundai 5,745 6,154 -6.6
Kia 2,670 2,635 +1.3
Mazda 6,331 5,417 +16.9
Mercedes-Benz 1,380 1,237 +11.6
Mitsubishi 740 902 -18.0
Nissan/Infiniti 7,085 6,119 +15.8
Porsche 119 141 -15.6
Subaru 1,401 1,422 -1.5
Suzuki 885 731 +21.1
Toyota/Lexus 15,341 14,881 +3.1
VW/Audi 4,040 3,704 +9.1
Land Rover 175 108 +62.0
Jaguar 139 151 -7.9
Volvo 807 1,161 -30.5
Total 124,175 127,233 -2.4
I'm not saying it is good or bad just pointing out I was right and eat my shorts :lol:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/051004-1.htm
[right][snapback]146714[/snapback][/right]
I think things will get better with the fusiona/zephyr and the 06 explorer hittin showrooms along with the 06 f150 qhich has new options like a 6.5 foot bed on the supercrew. If we all wanted to play dirty though ford should include all thier other brands B)
And still they can sell all the cars they want in North America, but the Japs let us sell only a small select amount of our cars over in Japan.
When will the federal government wake up? Let's even the playing field and maybe we will stand a chance. Soon there won't be a NA auto industry and all of us, meaning everyone in NA, will be f_cked!
ah, we're gonna be f**ked anyway once the oil runs out.
CanadaSVT,Oct 5 2005, 01:39 PM Wrote:And still they can sell all the cars they want in North America, but the Japs let us sell only a small select amount of our cars over in Japan.
When will the federal government wake up? Let's even the playing field and maybe we will stand a chance. Soon there won't be a NA auto industry and all of us, meaning everyone in NA, will be f_cked!
[right][snapback]146810[/snapback][/right]
yeah, but what good is having the federal government step in again? It's only going to delay the innevitability. North America is still the largest automotive consumer market out there, and if north american companies made decent cars, people would buy them.
Years and years of the NA automotive industry turning a blind eye to the market and relying on the government to constantly bail them out is going to bite them in the ass.
It's like a lot of things in the manufacturing sector, we want it cheaper, but aren't willing to make it for cheap. So someone else has to make it cheap so we'll buy it.
scoobasteve,Oct 5 2005, 01:48 PM Wrote:ah, we're gonna be f**ked anyway once the oil runs out.
[right][snapback]146818[/snapback][/right]
There is no shortage of oil in the world. Just a lot of little greedy men wanting us to believe there is a shortage to justify the prices we are paying.
darkpuppet,Oct 5 2005, 04:04 PM Wrote:CanadaSVT,Oct 5 2005, 01:39 PM Wrote:And still they can sell all the cars they want in North America, but the Japs let us sell only a small select amount of our cars over in Japan.
When will the federal government wake up? Let's even the playing field and maybe we will stand a chance. Soon there won't be a NA auto industry and all of us, meaning everyone in NA, will be f_cked!
[right][snapback]146810[/snapback][/right]
yeah, but what good is having the federal government step in again? It's only going to delay the innevitability. North America is still the largest automotive consumer market out there, and if north american companies made decent cars, people would buy them.
Years and years of the NA automotive industry turning a blind eye to the market and relying on the government to constantly bail them out is going to bite them in the ass.
It's like a lot of things in the manufacturing sector, we want it cheaper, but aren't willing to make it for cheap. So someone else has to make it cheap so we'll buy it.
[right][snapback]146848[/snapback][/right]
I understand your point Steve, but what he is referring to is the fact it's not a fair game. If the Asian market allowed significant numbers without tariffs of NA automakers into their countries, we would do very well overseas. Especially in the truck market (Have you seen the Honda , I am not going to call it a truck, POS?)
This has long been a thorn in any autoworkers side that the automotive world is not a fair world. But then again, when is life fair. All were asking is for a fair playing field. Open up the worldwide market to all and see how much better we all do.