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E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - darkpuppet - 04-29-2007 Quote:Study: Ethanol possibly more harmful than gas E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - FocusGuy7476 - 04-29-2007 not to mention what i does to you fuel system in your vehicle. There are snowmobiler out here that had their engines blow on brand new sleds because on a 2stroke engine you have mix oil into the gas to run the engine. With the ethanol and oil, the oil separates in the tank and doesn't provide the engine any lucubration. Not to mention the tons of vehicles out there that are going to need a fuel system overhaul. I'm 100% against the production of Ethanol, not only is it not helping the problem its also taking food of the plates of millions of people. Also it doesn't help with fuel mileage at all, it may be cheaper to to run in your car but your using more of it to go places. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - OAC_Sparky - 04-29-2007 Not that I disagree about ethanol (I've never seen the end benefit of watering down gas with something les efficient), but if you are concerned aboout the environment you should be lobbying sled manufacturers to stop using 2-stroke motors. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - FocusGuy7476 - 04-29-2007 OAC_Sparky,Apr 28 2007, 05:41 PM Wrote:Not that I disagree about ethanol (I've never seen the end benefit of watering down gas with something les efficient), but if you are concerned aboout the environment you should be lobbying sled manufacturers to stop using 2-stroke motors. i was using that as an example of what ethanol is doing to an engine and what damage it does. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - darkpuppet - 04-29-2007 if you're going to use ethanol in a sled, you should be mixing it with a different oil, such as castor oil -- take a lesson from the R/C crowd on that one. e85 can work, and even though it's less efficient than gas, it also has benefits as being produceable locally. e85 isn't a bad thing, but like CFLs, I don't think all the research has been done, and it'll take a while for technology to address all the unique problems introduced by e85. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - OAC_Sparky - 04-29-2007 FocusGuy7476,Apr 28 2007, 02:51 PM Wrote:i was using that as an example of what ethanol is doing to an engine and what damage it does.Don't take it as a personal knock -- I've been saying that two strokes have been outmoded for years for ATVs, sleds and such. Used to be that the production cost of a two stroke outweighed the cost of adding the oil, but that's not the case any longer. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - NOS2Go4Me - 04-29-2007 I always heard the argument of the two-stroke crowd was "4-strokes don't have enough torque". My brother-in-law, way more of a motorcycle guy when asleep then I'll ever be when awake, says that argument died about 10 years ago for dirt bikes. Same thing for ATVs and sleds. Ethanol produced from non-food crops should be fine. I disagree with ethanol crop-producing plantations that displace large portions of necessary food crops. We've come to a point where oil itself is becoming unmanageable as an energy source for the masses. We either find alternative fuel / energy sources, or we keep letting the "free market" rape and pillage our wallets as far as oil goes. China and India's demand for ALL base commodities that support massively-ramped industrialization forces the hand of first-world nations. If we continue to stall, bitch and bellyache about it... we'll just be that much worse off down the road. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - bluetoy - 04-29-2007 FocusGuy7476,Apr 28 2007, 01:14 PM Wrote:not to mention what i does to you fuel system in your vehicle. There are snowmobiler out here that had their engines blow on brand new sleds because on a 2stroke engine you have mix oil into the gas to run the engine. With the ethanol and oil, the oil separates in the tank and doesn't provide the engine any lucubration. Not to mention the tons of vehicles out there that are going to need a fuel system overhaul. There are no snowmobiles made anymore that don't have oil injection. There haven't been for at least 10 years or more. Just top up the oil tank and be on your way. The reason the ethanol blows up 2 strokes is because it runs the engine leaner. You have to add more fuel to compensate. Since virtually everyone who owns a sled tunes it to the limit adding ethanol will burn a piston in no time. E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - darkpuppet - 04-29-2007 ^--- guess that solves the 2-stroke issue... E85 More Harmful Than Gasoline - FocusGuy7476 - 04-29-2007 i guess that that solves that issue, i also should add i know nothing about snowmobiles, and was getting this info from the mechanics that worked on the sleds. |