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I'm Really Curious About This - NOS2Go4Me - 03-04-2007
For once, I'm reserving my opinion for a bit to see what you all think:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...tory/Front/home
Discuss.
I'm Really Curious About This - habmann - 03-04-2007
Its a stated rule in the league, tough s*** for the girl. I think the saying "You gotta fit in, to get in" applies.
As much as i disagree with some of the things that go on in quebec, ie: separation, i think alot of the time when it comes to things like this they seem to have the right attitude.
I'm Really Curious About This - torradan - 03-04-2007
Rules are rules. They aren't suggestions. Follow the rules, or don't play. Thats the way it works, last I knew.
If you don't like it, keep your ass in Ontario where its allowed.
I'm Really Curious About This - hardk0re - 03-04-2007
Rules are rules. Period.
I'm Really Curious About This - Oscar The Grouch - 03-04-2007
Rules are rules.
I'm Really Curious About This - 02ztsian - 03-05-2007
Sorry, in a democracy the majority rule.
I'm Really Curious About This - Oscar The Grouch - 03-05-2007
02ztsian,Mar 4 2007, 10:49 AM Wrote:Sorry, in a democracy the majority rule.
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Yeah but the charter of rights throws democracy out the window.
I'm Really Curious About This - ZED_not_zee - 03-05-2007
I AGREE when seeking equality as a minority you can't just take the good,, and leave the bad that's not "equality" that's preferential treatment... yes If I were required to where a sacred peice of clothing and taking it off ment defacing my religeon I would be hard pressed to do so even if it ment giving up somthing I love like soccer... it's a crappy situation but favortisum only fuels resentment
I'm Really Curious About This - darkpuppet - 03-05-2007
I feel for the girl who's stuck in the middle of a discussion that's going to place more negative focus on religous and cultural differences than on the actual reason behind her exclusion.
especially when understanding has to come from both sides.
I think it needs to be made clear what clothing constitutes a safety hazard. I'm all for respecting other cultures and religions, but there is a line where equality does give way to preferential treatment.
Perhaps, she would rather focus on playing in a muslim community league where the rules are more suited to their culture... I don't think changing international rules that serve a specific purpose sends the right message in this case.
I'm Really Curious About This - NOS2Go4Me - 03-05-2007
My opinion is thus, take it as you will:
1 - she CHOSE to play a sport. Her religion doesn't force her to participate, ergo you submit yourself to the rules and regulations of the sport you're participating in. If you join a sport fishing club that requires the trading of naked pictures of wives and you object... leave!
2 - her religion does not require that she wear the covering as a devout member, forsaking her religion and causing much embarrassment to one's self and family if she doesn't.
When we played hockey, NO jewelry was allowed to be seen on your face/neck. PERIOD. Necklaces, earrings, eyebrow rings (early adopters is all I'm saying)... it all had to go. We accepted that as the rule, laid down by Hockey Canada and we played every game under those rules. Sure, we didn't contemplate each and every rule before a game... but at the end of the day, the rules mattered (obviously).
I really hope that the girl wasn't put up to this by her parents. I also hope that this doesn't spark the "you're not sympathizing, therefore you're a racist" sentiment anywhere. If the religion you follow doesn't have any wearable items requirements and you're able to play the sport just fine, that doesn't make you a racist for wanting the other players to have to follow the same rules.
I'm Really Curious About This - ZTWsquared - 03-06-2007
NOS2Go4Me,Mar 4 2007, 01:10 AM Wrote:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...tory/Front/homeDiscuss.While I agree with the general sentiment that rules are rules and they should be respected, a little research has revealed what I believe to be a fundamental flaw in the QSFââ¬â¢s position ââ¬Â¦ they are not in fact following FIFAââ¬â¢s rules as they claim, but are in fact promoting their own interpretation of them.
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For example ââ¬Â¦ according to Brigitte Frot, executive director of the Quebec Soccer Federation, FIFA rules don't allow for any jewellery or headgear. But on FIFA's website, laws governing player's equipment state that "equipment such as headgear, facemasks, knee and arm protectors made of soft, lightweight, padded material are not considered to be dangerous and are therefore permitted." There are even pictures of soccer players wearing bandanas, glasses and headbands in action.
Additionally I would also say that even if the QSF maintains that they have their own rule against headgear despite FIFAââ¬â¢s stance, I would say that this girl and her family have every right to challenge the rule considering the majority experience around the world had demonstrated that a hijab poses no threat to the wearer or to other players.
Although I donââ¬â¢t doubt the sincerity of the Quebec officials, the bottom line for me is that a rule that has the effect of denying someone participation on the basis of a religious symbol, where there is no demonstrated danger associated with that symbol, is nothing less than discriminatory.
While I understand why the Quebec officials stand by their specific and minority interpretation of the rule, it would be far more valuable to the discussion for them to demonstrate or prove the danger associated with wearing a hijab ââ¬Â¦ and with the millions of muslim girls playing the game wearing a hijab, if it was dangerous surely there would be some evidence of it.
If itââ¬â¢s dangerous to wear it , then I fully support the QSFââ¬â¢s position ââ¬Â¦ but if it isnââ¬â¢t dangerous than itââ¬â¢s discriminatory ââ¬â I think the QSF needs to demonstrate the danger or change their position.
I'm Really Curious About This - CanadaSVT - 03-06-2007
It's actually refreshing to see someone being descriminated against instead of the typical white Canadian male :lol:
I'm Really Curious About This - Flofocus - 03-06-2007
like ztw already mentioned, this was a rule that only applies on quebec feilds. They do not have this rule in Ontario.
Whats great is that it was a muslim referee that called it.