[meford4u]

kamilk69,Apr 7 2007, 09:12 PM Wrote:ur bankers never been in a turbo focus  :P
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he's got higher aspirations. Like a Mercedes.

[euro_zx5]

Best argument/discussion ever! :lol: I'm sure everyone has been in the same boat at one time... money is a bi*ch.

Best of luck with the build and keep us updated! Hopefully I'll see the progress driving around town.

[ex1z7]

Buy a house ? Some of you people are mental..

Think about it, whatever job you have now that's helping you with these mods.. You may not have next month, 2 months, 4 years from now.. What happens when you have 1k in bills to pay for a month and lose the job? You lose the house.. What happens when you lose your job and have a boosted Focus? Take the insurance off and park it, and ride the bus till you get a job..

Buy a house.. What the f***, yeah, sure, it's a good business move if you don't want to have fun, or, you know, have something you'll NEVER own..

Have fun with your Focus dude, the "but it's a cheap car.." argument is also ridiculous, "Oh it's just a Honda.." Potentially with 500 hp that can smoke near anything.. Yeah.. "Oh it's just a Mustang" but with less money overall into it, it can beat your 100,000 dollar car.. "Oh it's just a viper.." Sorry it isn't a McLaren F1..

It's just a WRX.. it's just an EVO..

Isn't modifying what you have, what you like, what you enjoy.. the hole point of being an enthusiast? Isn't making something your own - be that putting a big stereo, nice rims, a body kit, nice paint job.. Or even just taking great care of your current paint job.. What being a true enthusiast is all about?

Come on guys, sometimes these cars are more to people than commuting pieces of metal, sometimes they're things we enjoy sinking money into.. Things we enjoy spending 6 hours buffing, polishing, waxing..

To certain people, it isn't about destination to destination, it's the ride in between..

[kamilk69]

i must say, very well put. im mostly doing it because i just want to. i loike high hp cars but cant afford a expensive car. so imworking with what i got.

and another reason, im gunna get flammed for this one.

i want a ferrari owner to think to him self, why did i spend $180,000, if a focus could rip me.

as i pull away. B)

[zx5power]

Way I see it is , everyone has hobbies if you got the cash why not , most 19 , 20 year olds aint looking to buy a house . I will definately be doing some stuff to me car and im still lookin into a house in the next 4 or 5 years , whos to say maybe he can get a house , maybe he dont want one , maybe an apartment is a convenience , cant judge ppl and how they spend there money its theirs to spend.

[NikiterZTS]

i say have fun with the Focus......in stead of the house get a gf cuz that can get just as expensive as having a household :D jk

but seriously house can wait, you need a good job to have one and i know ur still a student

[Canadian ST]

kamilk69,Apr 8 2007, 06:57 PM Wrote:i must say, very well put. im mostly doing it because i just want to. i loike high hp cars but cant afford a expensive car. so imworking with what i got.

and another reason, im gunna get flammed for this one.

i want a ferrari owner to think to him self, why did i spend $180,000, if a focus could rip me.

as i pull away.  B)
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I wanna see that Ferrari get F@#$ed. You would have a hard time finding someone who owns a Ferrari who nows how to drive it hard

[schade]

ex1z7,Apr 8 2007, 05:31 PM Wrote:Buy a house ? Some of you people are mental..

Think about it, whatever job you have now that's helping you with these mods.. You may not have next month, 2 months, 4 years from now.. What happens when you have 1k in bills to pay for a month and lose the job? You lose the house.. What happens when you lose your job and have a boosted Focus? Take the insurance off and park it, and ride the bus till you get a job..

Buy a house.. What the f***, yeah, sure, it's a good business move if you don't want to have fun, or, you know, have something you'll NEVER own..

Have fun with your Focus dude, the "but it's a cheap car.." argument is also ridiculous, "Oh it's just a Honda.." Potentially with 500 hp that can smoke near anything.. Yeah.. "Oh it's just a Mustang" but with less money overall into it, it can beat your 100,000 dollar car.. "Oh it's just a viper.." Sorry it isn't a McLaren F1..

It's just a WRX.. it's just an EVO..

Isn't modifying what you have, what you like, what you enjoy.. the hole point of being an enthusiast? Isn't making something your own - be that putting a big stereo, nice rims, a body kit, nice paint job.. Or even just taking great care of your current paint job.. What being a true enthusiast is all about?

Come on guys, sometimes these cars are more to people than commuting pieces of metal, sometimes they're things we enjoy sinking money into.. Things we enjoy spending 6 hours buffing, polishing, waxing..

To certain people, it isn't about destination to destination, it's the ride in between..
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the first part of your argument makes no sense at all. If you think buying/owning a house is a waste of money, then you've got ALOT to learn .. as meford4u mentioned, you (almost) never loose money when you buy a house .. its probably the biggest purchase you'll ever make, and bring you the most return

you say not to buy a house because theres a *chance* you might loose your job and then you'd be stuck trying to cover the bills ... that's a sad excuse .. i don't think there's one person that can say they are 100% secure in there job for the rest of there life

[NOS2Go4Me]

ex1z7,Apr 8 2007, 06:31 PM Wrote:Buy a house ? Some of you people are mental..

Think about it, whatever job you have now that's helping you with these mods.. You may not have next month, 2 months, 4 years from now.. What happens when you have 1k in bills to pay for a month and lose the job? You lose the house.. What happens when you lose your job and have a boosted Focus? Take the insurance off and park it, and ride the bus till you get a job..

Buy a house.. What the f***, yeah, sure, it's a good business move if you don't want to have fun, or, you know, have something you'll NEVER own..

Have fun with your Focus dude, the "but it's a cheap car.." argument is also ridiculous, "Oh it's just a Honda.." Potentially with 500 hp that can smoke near anything.. Yeah.. "Oh it's just a Mustang" but with less money overall into it, it can beat your 100,000 dollar car.. "Oh it's just a viper.." Sorry it isn't a McLaren F1..

It's just a WRX.. it's just an EVO..

Isn't modifying what you have, what you like, what you enjoy.. the hole point of being an enthusiast? Isn't making something your own - be that putting a big stereo, nice rims, a body kit, nice paint job.. Or even just taking great care of your current paint job.. What being a true enthusiast is all about?

Come on guys, sometimes these cars are more to people than commuting pieces of metal, sometimes they're things we enjoy sinking money into.. Things we enjoy spending 6 hours buffing, polishing, waxing..

To certain people, it isn't about destination to destination, it's the ride in between..
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I had you pegged as a smart kid till I read this s***. Now I'm really wondering how wrong I was.

I hope you're planning on renting for the rest of your life, giving your landlord more cash than he knows what to do with and never really "owning" anything. When retirement comes knocking, a lot of us will just sit back in the houses we own and do whatever the hell we want. Those renting into retirement will have WAY higher monthly expenses than someone who owns their own home.

I did the decent customization thing on the last car... and I loved doing it. I also did it on the ridiculously cheap, with the help of more than a few folks from here. The point we're making is that when that motor blows, with your $6000+ of parts in it... it's gone. Finito. Done. That $6000 goes a long way towards a place of your own in Northern Ontario, where you can sit and do s*** to your car(s) for as long as you want.

I rented through the majority of my 20s. It sucked - big-time. My landlord had over $2000/mo coming in on a house that I knew he was done paying for. We were financing his toys, his vacations and anything else that needed cash. He worked 40 hours / week on top of that and so does his wife. What does he get at the end of the year? Whatever he wants. What did we get? "Thanks for being good tenants". Hell, one month's rent from all of us paid the property taxes for the year.

I'll be the first to admit that I wish I had listened to family years ago and gone to college / uni right after high school. But I didn't. I took 6 years off to work and f*** around. It cost me. I made sure that as soon as we could afford to buy a house, responsibly, we did. We're earning equity. We're also trying (in vain, I see) to educate this fella they way others all tried to educate us at one time or another - mod to a point, but doing excessive s*** on a car that you likely won't own for long enough anyways is pointless.

Could I have turbo'ed the SPI? Yup. Lentech? Yup. Why didn't I? WASTE OF CASH.

Some guys have fab/install skills here and that works to their favour for F/I. Saves them big dough. Some collect parts for years (like Nate) so that the blow is softened. All of this makes sense. What we're saying is the car's already boosted. Save some cash and do some fiscally-smart stuff now... then maybe do some more crazy s*** later. ZX3TUNR anyone (Jay)?

I've already thought about turboing the Duratec next year. Will I? Not likely.

Wait, I've got it. He needs to get married. Problem solved. Even if his wife supports modding (as mine does), you've still got to prove it's a good idea first. Good luck with that.

EDIT - apparently I shifted targets going through my rant. It applies equally to both - smart modding is a good idea, buying a house after playing for a bit is a better idea.

[meford4u]

At your age, have fun with what your doing. But my point was to put a little aside for a rainy day.

And I will use puppet as an example. He did a lot of modifications to his Focus. And a great deal he didn't pay for. What does he have now? No house and no Focus. I bet if you asked him he would have taken the time to put a little aside every month to own his own place now.

Just a little piece of advice. take it for what it is worth. From a guy who has been there, done that.

[NefCanuck]

I know you're gonna think that this is just more nagging, but think about this...

A house appreciates in value... our cars won't, no matter how much we do to them...

Modding your car is a great way to pass the time... it makes your car yours, but at the end of the day, the most you'll get out of it is the satisfaction of doing that and maybe the recognition of others, but nothing more substantial than that...

If you're cool with that, all the best to you...

NefCanuck

[kamilk69]

i 100% argree with you guys, a house is probably the most important thing that you can buy in life. and that throwing money at a car wont make me any money.

but saying that,

i think for some people do things not for the money but they do it for the satisfaction. one of the biggest reason i turbo'd my car is because i always look at turbo kits, pistons and other s*** like that and though i would never have s*** like that. since i was 14 ive dreamed about Rx-7's and supras even before f&f came out. and now that i have the know how, and a small cash flow i can do these things. i mod cars because i have the satisfaction, knowing that i made something to make my slow as stock car go fast makes me happy. putting a turbo in my car by myself was of of the greatest achivement of my life so far.

i know a ton of guys with crx's and crappy 1987 cars that dump money into them. not to show of to anyone or make money, but to have the satisfaction of job well done.

you guys think of it in way to much of a business situation. not everthing you do in life should be geared towards making a profit.

and lastly, what 19 year old dosent want a 400hp turbo car. :P

[ANTHONYD]

Guys... Don;t youy remember when we all tried to teach Jay this?


It's no use. As long as "going fast" is his life goal....there's no changing them.

And renting is a horrible finacial choice. :yikes:

[Flofocus]

ex1z7,Apr 8 2007, 06:31 PM Wrote:Buy a house ? Some of you people are mental..

You live with mom and dad or never paid rent in your life. I hated paying rent, such a waste of money to me. If you cant afford a house, buy a condo, 1 bedroom apartment, whatever...just BUY something, you'll get your money back and more with the right moves ;)

Kamilk, keep doing what your doing. You can do the work yourself, that, right there, saves you so much money, its not even funny!! And you get to practice something that you love, I'm with ya :D some people need vacations to get away, some people turn wrenches and work on their ride. To each their own. Good luck with your build.

EDIT: Get a paint job.

[mpcv2000]

So you guys went way off topic with your life lesson.... :P





To get back on his topic... Is it all you have for your monster... ? A set of rods... ? For sure it's a start but you maybe missing a few things... You are like 3 to 4 K away of doing it... :ph34r:







:)

[kamilk69]

3 to 4k where are you getting your parts from, damn for that much i can have 400hp and paint my car.

[ex1z7]

Alright...K...I need to retort.

First off, I live with my girlfriend, not my parents, they live in McMurray and Toronto.

Secondly, I have paid rent, I've lived on my own in 2 separate countries for 3-4 months the first time, 6 the second, until I had to go back to school when I returned to Canada.

Thirdly, I didn't mean buying a house is stupid "ever". I meant right now, at 19, it's not the best choice he'll ever make - unless he does it right. Buy a house and rent it out, sure - good idea if you have the energy to be a landlord when you need to.. Buy a house to live in when you could still live at home? Why?


To score back some brownie points, I agree 100% that a house is a good investment, when you have the means to keep that investment alive. At 19, it's incredibly rare. I intend to buy a house when I finish university and start my career, I don't intend on buying one before, because I bounce around to 3 different countries, and I havn't decided where I'm going to live yet. Not much point in buying a house and then leaving the country..

You can lose A LOT of money with a bad move, and how many of you guys who didn't fully understand my point, knew what you know now, back when you were 19?

Like it was stated, 15k for a down payment on a house, more, or less.. 4k for parts on a car? So what if it's throwing it away cus it'll just go up in smoke when he craves more power, at least he had fun playing with it while it lasted, it's like purchasing an expensive computer, large new-tech TV, new age game console.. You wont get a return on any of them, they do nothing but depreciate in value.. so why buy them? Well some people like playing the new, more intense games.. Or like the reliability and performance of a new system for photo editing etc.. Or like the look of golf on their new 50" plasma..



What if the market for housing crashes and he has to sell.. Bought a house for 200k, and when he needs to sell (if that happens) the market will only pay 150k.. Well you just lost out.. There are a lot of "what if's" at 19 that DOES make buying a house a stupid idea.

There are also a lot of what if's that make it a great idea.. It's a gamble, though.. You're not always guaranteed to make money off a house..

<cough>

To return on the original subject at hand, though.

What are the parts you're looking to piece together for your build? What kind've pistons (if any), rods, studs, clutch, etc etc etc ? Would like to see your plans..

[kamilk69]

for pistons, im gunna go with supertech 8.7:1 comp ratio,
-arp head studs,
-port polish my self,
-clutch i have a stage 3 spec one installed already.
-3.5" exhast
-65mm throttle body
-hopefully my mustage gt maf will be ok.
-a big tubo, im thinking a gm-8 or some larger holset
-large injectors there are 60lbs for 200 at mcnewsautomotive (maybe if some people wanted to do a group buy, it would come out a little cheaper.
-for intake mani ill see how well the stock one performs, if i cant reach my goal ill make one.
-im not sure what to do with the fuel pump. im thinking of makeing a return style system.
-i have cams, stage 2 crane, and i have adj's gears already.

that pretty much covers it.
most of the part i can do slowly. im going to get my engine first, run 15psi of boost, then get the parts that require 29psi.

[NikiterZTS]

damn....3.5" exhaust......won't the 3" work good enough?

intake mani if it won't work u'll make one??
i wanna see what u have in ur mind if ur gonna make one....cuz if its good enough for flowing i might as well get one off of ya

i know some guy on FF.com just made his own and he was doing it as a project for university and it took him a month at least i think, that including late nights....he did everything on the special program(drawing and ect) and even did the flowing air test
and now he's got people in the line up to buy some of him....
i think his price is around $300-$400 but it flows almost as good as Focus Sport intake and much better then any SVT
he also mentioned that is perfect for cars that are F/I

i donno u just made it sound too easy......maybe u meant 2000K ported intake mani

peeeeaaaaceee

[euro]

Mercedes are slow, they're the buick of the germans :P They can't beet me on the track and I haven't installed my FI yet.

Buy a house, buy a house they all tell me. I just spent $15,000 on my project, bankers are greedy and borring. I'm building my foci for the targa newfoundland, I should be ready in two years (building the car, rally school....) I wana go fast and side ways!