[S2]

Man I am still laughing.... honestly no harm.... serious....

Amazing how these 'message boards' can turn into something like this.... and almost always end up on the 'humorous side'.... :D

[FociS8nt]

wow.....I feel like I just got caught in between two 12 year old girls at toys r us arguing which is better the new britney doll or the new christina doll. geezus guys lol funny thing is through out the entire arguement lol neither of you posted any evidence it was strictly opinion and hearsay......ahh well it amused me for about 15 mins....good times, damn quebecers :P B)

[kemptvillesvt]

who cares about either. one is driven by a long shaft that goes across the hottest spot in the engine ever. the other is belt driven, do we see possible belt breakage. so isay go turbo or go home. heres how they pay out. 4600$ for apossible 300 whp for turbo, or 4500$ for the others plus install. so you chose whats the better value for the hp.





TURBO ALL THE WAY

[S2]

And another HUGE point that I was making.... turbo will give you way more gains then a SC would ever do but also serious $$$ for turbo....

[tdot-zx3]

Frenchys car is fun .. yes .. shoulda bugged you to let me drive it .. =P

Next time .. ;)

I think, that jrsc... some lighter wheels with some R compounds, and a more beefed up suspension... Would make a fun fun weekend road course car.

[ZX3TUNR]

Here's what im looking at and what I came to and it just comes down to reality.

I dont need anything over 200HP. Where am I going to use it? Speed limit is 50. I just want that extra pep. I dont race, I dont goto the track its my little street cruiser car. Sure I dumped tuns of cash into it and can easily put in a turbo but blah headaches and headaches. Dont get me wrong Tom does provide a very nice nice kit that he says is allready pre tuned and is fully bolt on but then again look at the nice price tag in US dollars :angry:

My buddy put a turbo on his civic and while he was on the dyno the wastegate blew off and now his piston rings are fried. He got that fixed but the stock clutch blew. This is what you would expect when your pushing out almost 300WHP on a tiny civic. Im not ready for dealing with that type of stuff yet. The focus is my first car and Im sure it wont be my last. So don't really want to have to put up with any of that.....YET!

The JRSC is reliable and has been prooven. With a few little mods this kit would give you a nice little gain. Perfect for daily driver. Now if you always want that extra HP just get a 50 shot of nitrous lol

I been looking into the vortech kit also but havent really found any points that make me want to get it.. I heard this kit had problems to. maybe Steve can help me with this area..

[S2]

VORTECH is suseptible to 'more' problems for the fact that a VORTECH SC is alot more 'involved' then the JRSC like I posted somewhere in the french_connection vs. S2 Steeda matchup....lol

and your definitely right, TOM's setup is huge $$$$ but your also getting huge returns also....

[ZX3TUNR]

Hmm vortech kit with aftercooler with upgraded maf, bigger injectors and reprogammed sct chip. Mitch posted that setup by me on another thread. I think that would be a good setup also... The installation is a bit more tedious/more work. Just watch the video when they install steves vortech..

[ZX3TUNING]

i personally do not think the JRSC is a good option...
for the money they cost they just do not offer the return.
sure if you can get one for $1000cnd then why not, that's a killer price, but you still will get similar power and performance from all the bolt-ons and a good headpackage....slap a JR onto that and that would be a nice ride. ;)
sadly, most people do not get a JRSC offered to them for such a great price, and i personally wouldn't consider one unless they sell for $1500usd new right from the dealer.

yes, the are quick to install
yes, they offer a gain but they also offer a very limited amount or output.
JR's service is questionable... they sure didn't impress me when i called them up to ask them some questions.

is it better that other kits... that is entirely debateable! everyone has their own opinion and likes what they like.
i have driven a 187fwhp JR SC'ed SVT and it was fun but i have been in and driven many other high HP foci and recently got to drive the Bishop Sales/Steeda Vortech SC'ed ZX3... it's really hard to compare, each car brinsg something different to the table andunless yo have driven them all you really have no right to call one better than another... just that you would buy "__________" and put it on your car.

i sell Vortechs because i believe it is a better package with more flexibility and allows you to inter/after-cool the intake charge, something the JR does not.
does this make it a better kit? no
the JR is a perfectly linear powerband, the vortech, does not see boost right away and requires time build similar to a turbo.
the JRSC has a limit of about 200-220fwhp before it starts to become completely useless.
the vortech in a similar package will see 250-300fwhp and more if you are going really wild.

it all comes down to persoanl prefference.

best answer: build what you want, dam everyone else! it's your car, isn't it??? :wacko: :blink:

[meford4u]

The two of you-------S@ AND Frech---------hilarious!!!

You can't say that the JRSC doesn't offer an inter/after-cool option. It may not be exactly the same, but they offer a water mister to cool the incoming air. Yep, it's overpriced, but you can get aftermarkets that are the same thing for around $300US that, yes indeed, cool the air coming in to the engine.

Brat, dammit, finally spend some of that hard earned cash of yours on something you can rely on everyday and have a lot of fun with. Buy the JRSC and fogetaboutit.

It was nice 2S2 that you finally "toned down" your bitch slapping of the JRSC. Like I said, I had one on a car for 400,000km. I think that is the proof you guys were looking for in terms of reliabilty. That's not my opinion speaking, that's my old car quietly purring along.

[BerinG]

1000$ ? i want one!! even 1400$ ? where do you guys get those prices.. was goign for the turbo but if i could get one for cheap like that.. id be all over it! That and SCT and you're set!

Can't you just buy a smaller pulley and get more boost? I mean for the people saying JRSC is sh*t .. its a pretty damn good price even if it is lower numbers than a turbo (depending on which though) or vortech.. that would be perfect for road racing! My warranty's been done for 60000km already hehehe.. don't risk it brat.. sell it to me :D

[2001 ZTS]

I'll add my armchair racer opinion. The JRSC is the only forced inductuion I would ever consider.

As for the original question I'll answer that it is great if a warranty is offered but like insurance I believe if you do any mods you should go into it with the mindset that you have already written off your car.

[BerinG]

i wouldn't trust the dealer saying that it is covered under warranty.. maybe its just the dealers around here but they have trouble changing a stupid fuel filter une warranty..

[DD1]

I like marc's car but I also love TQ(DAN read that) I still have to do a closed highway race with frenchy some day but I have a fellin that his car would be very close to mien above 220km's its jsut mine has a crap load of TQ around 275-290 to the ground which make 1-2 gears a blast around town

but for the $$$ I think the jrsc is the way to go I will probly put one onto my wifes car if that deals goes through with a certain someone B)

[S2]

ZX3tuning has posted 'they way I should have'..... and like I said before, major TRUCE on this from me....

JRSC does have that water air cooling setup but it seems sorta weak in a design plus it comes off as 'ghetto' to some extent.

FI is definitely something to READ alot about before making a decision. For a lower range bolt on type SC, as well as price, then the JR is for you.

For a more higher end, flexable but also more involved and also higher gains, go with the VORTECH.

Then there are the turbos but I will just leave it at that since that gives you even more gains over the two leading SC's on the market.

Personal preference, definitley. I know if I seen a focus 'around here' with a JRSC, I would definitely be interested in seeing it..... a VORTECH, definitely also, more so cause to me, they are more 'higher end'......

Jay posted something about STEEDA selling a SC, huge chances are that it'll be a rebadge of something, if not the JRSC design or actual SC. If they are looking for a 'bolt on' style, JR is probably where it's at.

[guilty]

For $1000CAD, your horsepower-per-dollar figure cant really be beaten. And like you said, you're not looking to make your car an all-out track monster.. so it doesnt really matter that the other kits can put out more horsepower. Paying twice as much for something that you arent really going to use isnt a great idea.

I'd love a JRSC, especially for that cheap. Reliability is really important if you're not overly mechanically inclined, or dont have a lot of money to upgrade/replace other parts you might break with a high-HP FI solution.

It really comes down to building the car for the way you're going to want to drive it, not just chasing the biggest numbers on a dyno slip.

[tdot-zx3]

Oh .. I should have added...

Back in the day when i got my car from al paladinis they had a package where you could get the jrsc...

They had a package... it voided some things.. but left others intact. Im sure you could make a deal with them to cover more though.

Specifics I cant remember though...

[P-51]

First off, any mod, especially ANY forced induction will void your warranty. Sometimes you'll get a dealer who will offer a warranty, but if your car ever breaks down, and you tow it to another dealer or something, your warranty will be void. The only way a dealer can warranty something like that is by lying to Ford.

I find the JRSC pretty weak, but it's nice in a set it and forget it, kinda way. That being said, people at high altitudes can't use it. The tuning is fairly crude, and doesn't adjust well to atmospheric conditions.

If I wanted that kind of power, I'd just go NA.

The Vortec, seems fine I guess, if you like that power delivery. Not a big fan of the layshaft design, but so far so good.

As for turbo... Some of you people really bash their reliability when you don't know anything about them.

I haven't had ANY breakages on the car, ever, related to the turbo.

I built this setup myself, hell, I learned to weld while doing it! It's held together fine for over a year, using the car ON TRACK. I also learned to tune, while tuning this engine.

I still have stock clutch, and it's holidng 220 ft-lbs just fine.

The people who have problems... sorry, it's because they're morons.

You can build a real nice turbo setup using a brand new turbo, and quality components, for $2000. Plus tuning of course.

[S2]

Everywhere I have asked, they will VOID warranty on FI applications. I actually remember reading something about that 'altitude' being an issue before, can't remember though.

[2001 ZTS]

S2 Steeda,Sep 3 2004, 05:39 PM Wrote:.......I actually remember reading something about that 'altitude' being an issue before, can't remember though.

That is true of all turbos. You can overspeed the turbo, get detonation, overheat the turbo and other issues. If I remember right it is even mentioned in my WRX owners manual.