[Oscar The Grouch]

darkpuppet,Mar 22 2006, 03:31 PM Wrote:

Oscar The Grouch,Mar 22 2006, 02:25 PM Wrote:That does it.  I'm gonna suggest to city council to have a Pron Parade!  It'll be the most watched parade on television!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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there's porn on TV, and the big sex convention... but trust me, you'd have more fun as a single guy if you go to the wine and cheese show, or the beer and food festival.
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Pron on TV? I thought there was only Pron on the Internet. :lol:

Seriously, wine and cheese show??? Explain. :huh:

[darkpuppet]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 02:37 PM Wrote:Whatever man. Unfortunately I got to see one, many years ago, whilst downtown and horribly unaware. It took me FOREVER to detour around it. What I saw was decidedly not tame nor proper.

I'm busted cause you say so. Right. Perhaps once you're actually married you'll understand the affront it represents.

I'm done with you.
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people running around in skimpy outfits squirting each other with waterguns?

have you been to the beach lately?

[darkpuppet]

Oscar The Grouch,Mar 22 2006, 02:39 PM Wrote:Pron on TV?  I thought there was only Pron on the Internet. :lol:

Seriously, wine and cheese show???  Explain. :huh:
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imagine $2 glasses of wine, 30,000 women who like wine, and food in portions too small to really buffer any of the alcohol.

Even I get groped by decent looking women.

the only problem is the day after when they're sober. everything falls apart when they're sober

[ANTHONYD]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:37 PM Wrote:

ANTHONYD,Mar 22 2006, 02:22 PM Wrote:

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 02:29 PM Wrote:A Focus cruise is a meeting of car owners and like-minded enthusiasts who get together to swap stories, sell parts and have a good time while generally fostering a sense of community.

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A Gay pride event is a meeting of gay men and women and like-minded gays who get together to swap stories, network and have a good time while generally fostering a sense of community.

Hmmm. sounds the same to me. :rolleyes:

Adam you're busted again man.
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Whatever man. Unfortunately I got to see one, many years ago, whilst downtown and horribly unaware. It took me FOREVER to detour around it. What I saw was decidedly not tame nor proper.

I'm busted cause you say so. Right. Perhaps once you're actually married you'll understand the affront it represents.

I'm done with you.
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Hey go f*** yourself Adam. You have no idea what my beliefs and such are. You hardly now me from a hole in the wall. Your single-minded opinions got you into yet another mess, and your cold busted. I know what marriage stands for, I know why people do it, and i Damn well know why I'M doing it.

The Gay pride parade is an inconvinience in your eyes.... why? because you cant toot around in your car through the downtown core???boo hoo. But it;s alright when a Focus convoy 30 cars deep disrupts traffic? "mAdd C00l Y0" But what about people who believe in things as strongly as you....their not allowed to express themselves. I think the nites*** fumes have disolved your brain into a one-sided road to nowhere.

NOS IS ALWAYS RIGHT PEOPLE....NO USE IN ARGUING ANY FURTHER!

[darkpuppet]

^--- I feel your pain man.. I've tried 'discussing' this over on [FJ], and it gets frustrating. A lot of talking, not much listening... and I never see any responses to my posts.

am I on the ignore list?

[NOS2Go4Me]

No, because every time I have an opinion, and I present rational facts to support said opinion, I seem to have 4-5 popular detractors.

I'm far from always right... I'm actually never right. According to you yahoos here. Niteshade is wrong, and so your BS reply states.

I've been attempting to be rational about this and banter the matter with facts and beliefs, whilst not getting carried away. But now you (Anthony) think it's funnier and more interesting to try and produce some rage and controversy where there's already plenty.

I'm waiting for the hamster o doom.

[ANTHONYD]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:47 PM Wrote:No, because every time I have an opinion, and I present rational facts to support said opinion, I seem to have 4-5 popular detractors.
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That's right Nos....the world is against you again!

[NOS2Go4Me]

Evidently.

I take care of my brother in law like a brother, but I don't support the alteration of the definition of marriage. What's so hard to understand about that?

Nothing cause it leaves you without anything to poke holes in, so you start with the Nights***. f*** you.

[darkpuppet]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 02:47 PM Wrote:No, because every time I have an opinion, and I present rational facts to support said opinion, I seem to have 4-5 popular detractors.
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what's wrong with the pride parade?

you don't agree with it... you think it's an affront to marriage.

I say that your choices as a consumer reflect more support for affronting marriages by supporting the celebrities that have popularized marriages of convenience.

yet, when a group, who just wants the equal treatment that everyone else with an 'abnormal' genetic predisposition has, they get this huge resistance from folks like yourself.

So they're not allowed to celebrate their love for each other, but the one time of the year you've forced them into where it's acceptable to be themselves and hang out with like minded individuals, they offend you.

What are they supposed to do? hide in the sewers? they're doing you no harm, yet you want to place further restrictions on them.

why?

and yet you say you love them like your brother, yet I personally wouldn't lock my brother in the sewer for being different than I (well, unless it was harmful to others, but this isn't harmful, and you haven't provided one shred of evidence it is)

[ANTHONYD]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:51 PM Wrote:Evidently.

I take care of my brother in law like a brother, but I don't support the alteration of the definition of marriage. What's so hard to understand about that?

Nothing cause it leaves you without anything to poke holes in, so you start with the Nights***. f*** you.
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The night s h it comment was talking about your lack of ability to see anyone elses views on a subject other than yours.


But again, your "selective reading skills" make you look like an ass yet again.


blow me.

[darkpuppet]

ok, you two...

[NOS2Go4Me]

One... more... time for the special ed class.

They're welcome to be whoever they want to be with whoever they want to be with. However, for those of us who are traditionalists and those who perceive marriage as an institution... we don't want to see marriage redefined. Period.

This goes beyond politically correct, which is absurd in enough cases all on its own. This now means that anything that stands in this world as an entity is no longer sacred. Marriage is more than a ceremony, it has existed for thousands of years.

If gay marriages were meant to be taking place, they would have rightfully been part of society for far longer than you or I have walked the earth. But they haven't.

As far as I'm concerned, it's just as proper a question for a straight person to ask "why" as it is for a gay person to ask "why not".

They've already got the same benefits in most cases. Why change marriage? Changing marriage won't change how they're treated or perceived in the world. Changing marriage won't magically make everyone believe that what they are doing is right if they didn't feel that way before. It's not a cure-all panacea.

That's what I am saying. Get it? Good. If not, quit attempting to stir s*** and STFU.

And Steve, to insinuate that I would lock my brother-in-law in a sewer is ludicrous. I'm appalled you'd even mention that. And I don't perceive the damn parade as an affront to marriage. How the heck did you figure that? I said I don't approve of their "we're gay and we're here and we're in your face" actions and mentality. That's what I saw and that's what I didn't approve of... and still don't. It's as simple as that.

Holy crap, FC.net is truly going to the dogs.

[ANTHONYD]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 04:12 PM Wrote:still don't. It's as simple as that.

Holy crap, FC.net is truly going to the dogs.
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FC is going to the dogs fellas, because Nos can't see anyone elses views. Why must you dig the site when things don't go your way in a discussion ??? jesus.

that's lame dood. :rolleyes:


You dont like it?

<--------- there's the door.

[darkpuppet]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:12 PM Wrote:One... more... time for the special ed class.

They're welcome to be whoever they want to be with whoever they want to be with. However, for those of us who are traditionalists and those who perceive marriage as an institution... we don't want to see marriage redefined. Period.

and how would allowing gays to legally marry change the institution of marriage?

Quote:This goes beyond politically correct, which is absurd in enough cases all on its own. This now means that anything that stands in this world as an entity is no longer sacred. Marriage is more than a ceremony, it has existed for thousands of years.

you're right...it is, but if you were married as the centuries old, untouched institution goes can I ask these questions about your marriage?

- who paid the dowry?
- at what age did your parents arrange your marriage?
- is your wife an equal partner as per egyptian rules? or is she not allowed to vote and required to stay in the kitchen and raise the children?
- and if your sister's husband dies, are you required to marry your sister in law?

that last Hebrew tradition of the institution of marriage was around long before Christians tied it marriage in with the bible. But marriage has been around for centuries before Jesus was born, how the hell did Moses and Mary get married under the witness and saving grace of Jesus if nobody knew of him yet?

The institution of marriage throughout the centuries has been a system of rules to handle the granting of property rights, and the protection of bloodlines, as well as the perpetuation of the species.

Today, people are getting married and not having kids (where's yours?), aren't doing it to perpetuate the bloodlines (is your wife royalty?).. so you have a larger group of people ignoring 2/3rds the equation, and they're not even gay?!

Sure, you may be stuck in the 1500's, but the rest of societ moves on, and you better get used to it (quick). The fact that they're doing you no harm other than getting you worried you'd have to marry your brother-in-law's husband if he should die as outlined in hebrew law just doesn't cut it.

be against it all you want, but don't be surprised if you're the only one getting upset by it.

Quote:If gay marriages were meant to be taking place, they would have rightfully been part of society for far longer than you or I have walked the earth. But they haven't.

As far as I'm concerned, it's just as proper a question for a straight person to ask "why" as it is for a gay person to ask "why not".

it's an excuse for you to allow your discomforts to shape your thoughts. A lot of things haven't been a part of society in the past.. equal rights to women, interracial marriages, etc... but guess what? society moved on and evolved.

Quote:They've already got the same benefits in most cases. Why change marriage? Changing marriage won't change how they're treated or perceived in the world. Changing marriage won't magically make everyone believe that what they are doing is right if they didn't feel that way before. It's not a cure-all panacea.

they're not changing marriage! they just want to get the recognized rights associated with it. But people hold steadfast to the word association, and stop thinking about human beings being treated like second class citizens because they love each other, but don't like the same person as you.

Quote:That's what I am saying. Get it? Good. If not, quit attempting to stir s*** and STFU.

And Steve, to insinuate that I would lock my brother-in-law in a sewer is ludicrous. I'm appalled you'd even mention that. And I don't perceive the damn parade as an affront to marriage. How the heck did you figure that? I said I don't approve of their "we're gay and we're here and we're in your face" actions and mentality. That's what I saw and that's what I didn't approve of... and still don't. It's as simple as that.

I believe Anthony alluded to your selective reading skills....

because you're doing it again... you bash the parade because it's a debauche lifestyle that goes against your beliefs. Like gay marriage... you made the connection, and if everyone but you has made that connection, then it is you who's not stated your position clearly. YOu say you love your brother-in-law, but that he's not entitled to the same life you have.

You've presented ZERO factual evidence that supports any of your arguments. ZERO.. you have not given me any reason why gay marriages are bad, or why the pride parade is any worse than any other street party and/or festival.

Quote:Holy crap, FC.net is truly going to the dogs.
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at this point, I'll take that as a compliment. it means a ) you're not getting your way and b ) you'd rather mock the site than sit down and form a well-informed and well-thought out argument.

I'll accept that you're uncomfortable with the gay lifestyle, so am I. The difference is that I can rationally discuss things that have zero effect on my life, while you make everything personal.

[scoobasteve]

^^^Well Said Puppet...

[habmann]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:12 PM Wrote:They're welcome to be whoever they want to be with whoever they want to be with. However, for those of us who are traditionalists and those who perceive marriage as an institution... we don't want to see marriage redefined. Period.

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What makes your views on this the one's that are right? Who made you the grand protector of the institution of marriage?

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:12 PM Wrote:If gay marriages were meant to be taking place, they would have rightfully been part of society for far longer than you or I have walked the earth. But they haven't.

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Once upon a time black people had no rights. That existed for hundreds of years, does that make it right? No, and with time that changed. Same for womens rights. Now over time that changed too. So the argument that because it hasn't always been that way is bogus. Things change, thats the nature of life. If you're to set in your ways to change i suggest you find a country that supports your single mindedness and move there.

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:12 PM Wrote:They've already got the same benefits in most cases. Why change marriage? Changing marriage won't change how they're treated or perceived in the world. Changing marriage won't magically make everyone believe that what they are doing is right if they didn't feel that way before. It's not a cure-all panacea.

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Why not change marriage. They're human beings just the same as you and I. If 2 people in a relationship love each other, why should it matter whether they're of the same sex or not.

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:12 PM Wrote:If it was natural, why can't gays procreate? How can a species that is expected to survive carry on if a chunk of its populace is slightly confused in that regard? Biologically, technically, that IS correct.

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So are you saying that if a male/female marriage isn't able to have a child they shouldn't be allowed to be married? Does that mean that mean that are sterile aren't natural and should be shunned? Or how about women that can't give birth? And it would seem that the gay/lesbian population is growing whether or not they can get married or if they can reproduce. So even by limiting marriage to the traditional definition gay and lesbian people are born everyday.


This all being said, Adam normally i don't say much about your views, but on this one your dead wrong. If you were to treat a visible minority like this, they'd scream racism, this is no different. If they don't affect how you live their life, why do you care what they do with their lives. Let them live their lives in peace. Stop forcing your views on them.

This isn't a personal attack on you Adam, but I write this as an attack on anyone that is small minded enough that they can willing discriminate against a group for only asking for what everyone else in our society can have.

[ANTHONYD]

Nicely said Puppet, all great points.

He's got you there Nos...Things have for sure changed when it comes to "marriage" and what constitutes marriage. What makes your views the all end to be all to what is considered a "real" marriage?

Habman you said it, this isn't a personal attack nos (though I'm sure you fail to see that) It's just that your views on this matter are way off the map man...sorry.

[OAC_Sparky]

darkpuppet,Mar 22 2006, 03:43 PM Wrote:I'll accept that you're uncomfortable with the gay lifestyle, so am I.  The difference is that I can rationally discuss things that have zero effect on my life, while you make everything personal.
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Well said.

I'm no more comfortable with the notion of gay sex than many Muslims or Jamaicans I know are about performing oral sex on a woman (cultural taboo). To some, they feel that it is a deviant sexual behaviour; yet here it is an accepted (tolerated, encouraged :lol: ) practise.

Me going down on my wife has zero bearing on their life; it does not come up in daily conversation. They see me for the person I am.

And as far as parenting abilities. I've seen childless couples who deserve to be parents, and parents that deserve to be sterilized or jailed. I can think of many fates worse than being raised by two caring gay parents.

[darkpuppet]

OAC_Sparky,Mar 22 2006, 04:08 PM Wrote:Well said.

I'm no more comfortable with the notion of gay sex than many Muslims or Jamaicans I know are about performing oral sex on a woman (cultural taboo). To some, they feel that it is a deviant sexual behaviour; yet here it is an accepted (tolerated, encouraged :lol: ) practise.

interesting side annecdote to this effect.. remind me to bring it up at some time.

[meford4u]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 10:57 AM Wrote:And I guess straight people should have their own loudmouthed advocacy groups and stage parades? They're donating to BUSINESSES at that point, not social special interest groups.


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We do. It's called the Liberal party of Canada.