Hi, Guest
NOS,
what i was saying was that if you exp'ed snap oversteer at speed it was your driving inputs that caused it, not the car. beening deep into a corner and lifting aburptly is most likely what cause the snap-oversteer. I'd be hard pressed to believe the car did it on it's own.
Dark,
Like i said, i'm not disagreeing with you that the SHM kit is or isn't suitable for a daily driving situation. I just was not all that impressed with it on our Yellow car Pre and post V6 Swap... part of the reason why we went to FK coilovers with Mondeo springs in the front. and while in most cases a car that understeers is slightly safer in the hands of a novice driver it can also be just and dangerous. a 24mm and 24mm sway bars setup is a very back setup on a focus imho. it kills the balance of the car and does not have clean breakaway that is "expected."
With the Eibach 24mm fr and 25mm rear, i had to work extremely hard to get the rear end to step out and when it did the stiff front made it harder to real back in cleanly. if you want to ride that 10% slip angle, a smaller front bar is required.
like i said, it's a trade off, to run a bigger rear bar with a stock from, more driving skill is required but the end result is a much better handling car. in an ideal world i'd like to see someone make a 22mm front with a 25mm rear as a "KIT". this would stiffen up the front enough to keep the understeer where it would need to be but stiff enough in the rear where throttle inputs could steer the car aswell.
Naz,
difference between this thread and those is that those threads are usually full of people who have only tired one or maybe 2 things. and oil is oil. unless you are racing the car and are having issues with oil temps, standard 10w30 oil will work in EVERY car. :)
in some cases the stock suspension is a good option but again, i believe the driver skill needs to be ther to take advantage of it with the use of tires like that. there is a lot of travel to the stock suspension and the grip of sticker tires can make "feeling" the breakaway point difficult for a novice driver or so i have noticed at the track and AutoX. i see far more Novice pushing to hard or not hard enough from one run to the next with such setups... it's hard to find that fine line.
but yes, if you are a good enough driver, and there are many out there, you can lay waste to much faster and harder sprung cars.
Basically what i'm trying to say/do is get people away from suggesting one part over another because of minimal exp they have had with either or just word of mouth.
unless you have tested something and have personal exp with it it would be best to add, "i don't know if it's true or not but from what i have heard..."
if you got Snap-oversteer in a Matrix, how does that effect a focus? is a Matrix a Focus? Have you driven a Focus in the same place under the same conditions/situation and had the same results? what do you think caused the snap-oversteer?
These arfe the questions i ask when i see such things because i need to know why that person thinks the way they do to suggest such issues.
Cars are my life, they fund me and are a major source of enjoyment for me, so understanding how they work and how certain inputs cause changes is a major part of what i do. i have to look at things like this topic, the way i have to help people fix problems or better understand why "this" is happening and what they can do to fix or correct the problem.
I'd much rather educate a customer than make a sale.
if i can help someone develope an idea of what they want then i can better suggest a route of going to get to that end result. this ALWAYS leads to a happier customer which is the name of the game, isn't it?
if i come off as harsh and abrupt, sorry, not my intention but that is my nature. :D
what i was saying was that if you exp'ed snap oversteer at speed it was your driving inputs that caused it, not the car. beening deep into a corner and lifting aburptly is most likely what cause the snap-oversteer. I'd be hard pressed to believe the car did it on it's own.
Dark,
Like i said, i'm not disagreeing with you that the SHM kit is or isn't suitable for a daily driving situation. I just was not all that impressed with it on our Yellow car Pre and post V6 Swap... part of the reason why we went to FK coilovers with Mondeo springs in the front. and while in most cases a car that understeers is slightly safer in the hands of a novice driver it can also be just and dangerous. a 24mm and 24mm sway bars setup is a very back setup on a focus imho. it kills the balance of the car and does not have clean breakaway that is "expected."
With the Eibach 24mm fr and 25mm rear, i had to work extremely hard to get the rear end to step out and when it did the stiff front made it harder to real back in cleanly. if you want to ride that 10% slip angle, a smaller front bar is required.
like i said, it's a trade off, to run a bigger rear bar with a stock from, more driving skill is required but the end result is a much better handling car. in an ideal world i'd like to see someone make a 22mm front with a 25mm rear as a "KIT". this would stiffen up the front enough to keep the understeer where it would need to be but stiff enough in the rear where throttle inputs could steer the car aswell.
Naz,
difference between this thread and those is that those threads are usually full of people who have only tired one or maybe 2 things. and oil is oil. unless you are racing the car and are having issues with oil temps, standard 10w30 oil will work in EVERY car. :)
in some cases the stock suspension is a good option but again, i believe the driver skill needs to be ther to take advantage of it with the use of tires like that. there is a lot of travel to the stock suspension and the grip of sticker tires can make "feeling" the breakaway point difficult for a novice driver or so i have noticed at the track and AutoX. i see far more Novice pushing to hard or not hard enough from one run to the next with such setups... it's hard to find that fine line.
but yes, if you are a good enough driver, and there are many out there, you can lay waste to much faster and harder sprung cars.
Basically what i'm trying to say/do is get people away from suggesting one part over another because of minimal exp they have had with either or just word of mouth.
unless you have tested something and have personal exp with it it would be best to add, "i don't know if it's true or not but from what i have heard..."
if you got Snap-oversteer in a Matrix, how does that effect a focus? is a Matrix a Focus? Have you driven a Focus in the same place under the same conditions/situation and had the same results? what do you think caused the snap-oversteer?
These arfe the questions i ask when i see such things because i need to know why that person thinks the way they do to suggest such issues.
Cars are my life, they fund me and are a major source of enjoyment for me, so understanding how they work and how certain inputs cause changes is a major part of what i do. i have to look at things like this topic, the way i have to help people fix problems or better understand why "this" is happening and what they can do to fix or correct the problem.
I'd much rather educate a customer than make a sale.
if i can help someone develope an idea of what they want then i can better suggest a route of going to get to that end result. this ALWAYS leads to a happier customer which is the name of the game, isn't it?
if i come off as harsh and abrupt, sorry, not my intention but that is my nature. :D