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Drivesthebeast,Sep 3 2006, 09:22 AM Wrote:Either way, I'm digruntled that Ford lets it's junior brands have more potent vehicles than they do in some segments.  The only way to get performance remotely close to the new hot hatches is to buy a car like DP's...
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I'd find it VERY hard to view Mazda as a Junior brand. Kia, Daewoo....yea..sure...but Mazda has been a front runner for many years now.



as far as the MS3 is concerned ....you are getting TREMENDOUS value for 30k ...it's only close/reasonable competition is the MkV GTi .....nothing else comes close.

the true test is the Dyno figures....

see stock Gti's are flywheel rated @ 200hp and dyno in at .....drumroll.... 196 at the wheels!!!!!

badass...

if the MS3 is that much under-rated, i'm going to be quite pleased!! ...either way...i'ts a sweet setup actually.