[NOS2Go4Me]

I really could care less about one clutch or two for the DSGs. The fact remains that an automatically-clutched transmission will always shift faster than a human when set up right. That goes double for a sequential manual transmission (ala motorcycles and shifter karts).

I guaran-fricking-tee you my shift-kitted A4OD was a hell of a lot quicker to shift than my autotragic or any Focus manual on the road. The VW Rabbit I drove, OTOH, with the ShiftTronic was not.

The point is that both the DSG and ShiftTronic automatics both have a manual mode and an automatic mode. They both offer performance improvements (in most cases) over a standard automatic and indeed the DSGs offer performance improvements over standard transmissions.

I don't see what the problem is with my statement, aside from a bit of a misnomer in the blanket terminology. A straight automatic as we know and love is NOT faster out of the box. A kitted auto is with the right setup... which isn't hard to do.