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OAC_Sparky,Mar 13 2007, 04:03 PM Wrote:Bryan,

What you are missing is that:

(1) all production workers were getting paid 1/2 hour a day for start-up and clean-up (getting dressed and undressed). While I can see that to some extent for paint workers, to draw a comparison for example, trades guys at our plant get 6 minutes clean up (Technically, cleanup for us means that you have 6 minutes to clean and put away your tools at the end of your shift). Not sure what you paint guys get but I'm pretty sure it's not 1/2 hour. That's what got cut.

And:

(2) Chernecki's a goof.
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We in paint get 18 minutes dress up Mon. Wed and Friday and 12 minutes Tues and Thurs. But we typically don't get the dress up because we work hard and get out of work early because our shift (midnights) in particular is just a fill up the system to trim and go home shift.

My understanding was they were giving up the midnight shift premium and afternoon shift premium. Not a great loss.

I just can't stand the way the company put it to the employees after that plant worked their ass off for years giving great product. Either except the offer or we move the plant. Period. That's not negotiating, that's intimidation.

And unfortunately that is the reality of the auto industry now and what we have been thru already at Ford. Maybe more to come???

Kinda renders the union as being useless nowadays IMO.

And Ken, what have the union members done to deserve crucification? The contract and agreements in place were fought for and increased not only the standard of living for those autoworkers, but for many workers outside our industry. I can guarantee that even you have benefited from the wage gains we have received in the past. They aren't exorbidant, just the typical 2-3%. I know when my Dad was at Ford(management) he hated the union(still does) but loved the yearly increase to his pay he received along with the union members