[Oscar The Grouch]

meford4u,Mar 13 2007, 08:01 PM Wrote:I just can't stand the way the company put it to the employees after that plant worked their ass off for years giving great product.  Either except the offer or we move the plant.  Period.  That's not negotiating, that's intimidation.

And unfortunately that is the reality of the auto industry now and what we have been thru already at Ford.  Maybe more to come???

Kinda renders the union as being useless nowadays IMO.

And Ken, what have the union members done to deserve crucification?  The contract and agreements in place were fought for and increased not only the standard of living for those autoworkers, but for many workers outside our industry.  I can guarantee that even you have benefited from the wage gains we have received in the past.  They aren't exorbidant, just the typical 2-3%.  I know when my Dad was at Ford(management) he hated the union(still does) but loved the yearly increase to his pay he received along with the union members
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The fabrication isn't the problem. Its the design and engineering. There's nothing wrong with the assemblyline as it stands.

What Chrysler is doing isn't negotiating or intimidation, its providing an ultimatum. But if I flip sides here, what if the union proposed a contract and said "if you don't like it, we strike"? I see this line happen more often than the company saying they'll go elsewhere.

Don't get me started about Teacher's Unions and OPSEU, their standards of conduct I find are deplorable. When they say that "We're doing this to protect your children or your health care," I don't believe that BS for one second.

However going back to normal unions, they have had a great impact in the past for bringing up standards of employment and still do today. Where I would really like to see unions involved in are areas where employees are still being abused/mistreated.