[ZTWsquared]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if there wasn't a problem with people getting hurt and killed by dogs ... a problem you have already acknowledged ... so stop with the "friendly" and "well behaved" anecdotes - they mean nothing in the larger context and will only have relevance when dog attacks are eliminated.

So what's your solution? Stop pit fighting around the world? Give me a break. Control breeding and breeders - yeah like that's remotely possible. The solution to solving the "supply" problem is to eliminate the demand and that's what a ban is all about.

A "smoke screen" ... I "don't understand?" What a crock! You've echoed everything I've said about dog ownership and the nature of dogs and I've owned at least 5 dogs in my life - I'm not a dog hater, I am a respecter of dogs.

What you haven't acknowledged and don't seem to understand is that one dog attack is one too many. And yet for some reason you seem perfectly willing to accept that innocent people are mauled and killed with stupid regularity ... stupid because they are entirely preventable.

IMO dog ownership is not so important or necessary to our society that we should tolerate some level of acceptable "collateral" damage. You on the other hand believe that the privilege of a few should outweight the safety of others. That's rather a narrow and selfish viewpoint IMO.

Change the perception? The only thing that will change the perception is when the reality is that people are no longer at risk of dog attacks ... and nothing you've proposed comes remotely close to making that happen.

In terms of the media you seem to be suggesting that dog attacks are no longer newsworthy and are therefore not being reported ... what's your proof. There was a recent report of an elderly lady being attacked and I've seen other reports of a dog on dog attack even. I have no doubt that dog attacks are consistently reported when they are known and that the only reason we don't hear about pit bull attacks is because there's nothing to report - which is a good thing - and that could very well be because of more muzzling.

The dog owners and the dog fanciers and the breeders of this country and the whole dog industry has had decades to solve this problem on their own ... a problem that goes unacknowledged by them for the most part ... but instead the problem has escalated ... and so fine, the rest of us will deal with it to our satisfaction and by the ways and means we feel is appropriate.

My advice to you and anyone else who thinks they are being disadvantaged by this ban and any others to come, is this: get your industry's fawkin act together and do something positive, responsible and EFFECTIVE to solve the problem - because if you don't others will and we're not waiting. In other words stop the dog attacks entirely (one is too many) and then the ownership of dangerous dogs will be tolerated.

And in terms of my personal belief ... yeah, I think the ban will eventually reduce dog attacks. But in any event I'd rather err on the side of caution ... I'll put the potential to save injury or death over your privilege of owning a specific breed any day of the week.

IMO the onus is on the dog owner and the dog industry now to prove that dangerous dogs have a legitimate place in our society, and if they can't ... then they have to go.

Flofocus,Apr 5 2007, 09:44 AM Wrote:

ZTWsquared,Apr 4 2007, 08:37 PM Wrote:If this ban saves just one person from a mauling or worse ... then it will have served its purpose and I will feel vindicated for my support of it. My personal believe is that over time it will significantly reduce the risk that we face from bad dog owners and dangerous dogs.
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Thats your personal beleif, great.

Def not mine. I don't see pitbulls being mussled by thier owners, I don't see puppies being put down that are being born today, Bylaw officers arent even enforcing it. I'll be buying another pup soon, wanna guess the breed? :D

How come the media isn't reporting pitbull attacks? Is it because all owners are mussling them? :lol: No because the hype has finally died down.

This ban is a smoke screen for people like you. People that are scared of something they don't understand, so when something like this comes up, a band-aid solution, your all for it. Good for you.

Instead of wasting money on something so retarded why doesnt the fag look into the real s***? I mean if your gonna spend money, do it right, but fawk Bryan MCFag do something right? FAWK NO.

1) Control Breeding and breeders with better laws. We bred dog agreesion in em, let's breed it out of them. Stop the puppy mills. Stop the breeders than churn these guys out @ $1200 a pop or more. All for the money....not for the love of a dogs. This will help a lot also on controlling the overpopulation of bully breeds, fawk, any overpopulation in our local humane societies.

2) Then we need to stop pitfighting....all across the world. It's really distrubing what this breed has to do to get some of their masters love. Runts of litters are tossed in fights between adults...they last about 10 secons, torn limb for limb. When a pit is losing and retreating and ignoring the masters commands to keep fighting, the master will not stop the fight, they will ususally let it go until the other dog has killed it, thats even if the competitor can move after a fight. They lose so much blood and have so much damage done to them that if they survive, they get fixed up by a vet, given some time off, in a small ass cage BTW, to heal, then sent to the pits again. Stongest are bred as a 'good dog'. I'm sure you can search yourself for some more, personally this makes me sick to my stomach so Im gonna stop...

3) Then we need to change our current licensing laws. Fawk this banning breed bulls*** :angry: :angry: . We have licenses for cars, guns, hunting, fishing, we need em for dogs. Obedience classes should be mandatory. When your even thinking about getting a dog, you should be in some sort of info seminar on teh available breeds and what the breed was about.

4)Change the perception. Get them out of DMX's music videos. Get the media to start reporting the good actions...ones that save lives, ones that sniff out cancer, ones that do search and rescue...

lol, I wish I could explain myself as well as you because I have so much to say about what you posted about the ban and its 'awarness' points. Amawrness to the general society? What theyre aware of is wrong. These dogs are great, loving and trusting dogs in the right hands. Look at AD's post about bumping into them at his obedience classes. Best behaved? Yeah, fawkin weird for a vicious dog heh? Many of my freinds say the same about my dogs. Both the Husky and pitbull. The scenarios above are just examples of what could happen. I know that if a kid was in the backyard my dogs wouldnt sattack, he was socialised properly but I still go out with them everyday, I'd hate for them to hurt the nieghboors cat, or get out somehow....you know. I love them, and always watch them. They've had spats though, favorite toy gets between them and dogs become dogs, the fighting is not encrouraged and they are scolded for doing it.

The things I listed above will educate people properly, not how this Ban is 'making people aware' (what a crock of s***) and at the same time set some laws for breeders to follow so we don't end up with a huge amount of strays in the humane society.

Oh and...Rotties have a higher jaw pressure per square inch than pitties. Yes they would cause more damage to human bones than a pitbull would. Dog Fighting is a completely different sick game.;)

Oh and ZTW, if your family is scared of this dog, why not get one? Help me prove to the population that these dogs are great...You heard the name "Nanny dog", these guys are great around kids, protective to ;). You'd also be helping by getting some of these guys a better home rather than a small ass cage at the humane society. The Best passive alarm system Ive ever had to. I go away to toronto or montreal for a couple of weeks and my wife feels COMPLETELY SAFE with him around her.

The media has done such a great job at paiting these guys to be ferocious killers that I can't help but laugh at anybody that beleives it.

If you have the national geo channel, I recommend you watch the dog whisperer. Half his pack is bullbreeds, he must like em for a reason...I mean they cant be that bad, were talking about the same breed that was around the rascal kids, Helen keller, and Michael J Fox. :P
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