[meford4u]

NOS2Go4Me,Mar 9 2009, 08:43 AM Wrote:

meford4u,Mar 9 2009, 08:39 AM Wrote:Just a hypothetical question gentlemen, used to raise discussion.

The fact is we already gave up $$$ and vacation time with the last round of our bargaining talks.

Having the government step in and forcibly have our contract re-opened is a major sticking point with many of our members, including myself.  Do we now live in the society of Big Brother?
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The union has a fair claim to "Big Brother" themselves, hiding the fact that they don't think their members can choose for themselves behind the paper-thin guise of "solidarity" and "strength in numbers".

What's the difference between an angry mob, Al Capone's mob and the union? The year. They all have about the same population, except for the angry mob. Their membership seems to fluctuate a little more than the other two. They also have the same behaviour and expect the same outcome - their way, their way by force or the highway.
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Holy fawk have you got an old world view of the union.

They give up on almost everything the company asks them for, re-write our contract in the middle of a contract(this isn't the first time) and give away more money to organizations that don't benefit the labour movement or the workers. Our union has become a laughing stock for the workers. If you think we have a "strong" union, then why are we rengotiating in the middle of a contract with a company(Ford) that has clearly stated they don't need government assistance?

Our union has no strength anymore.

And you need to rethink your views of the union movement. It may not be for you(or me for that matter) but they are hardly as strong as they were in the 70's and have become the whipping boy for governments to blame their problems on.

We didn't cause this economic crisis. Greed caused the economic crisis. Banks overlending on savings. Did the government tell the banks in the US to reduce salaries or no bailout? I think not.