[meford4u]

NOS........we don't pay for our benefits off our paycheck. Nor do you so stick that point up your NB>

Ashabib........it is an all incumbent number. But what most of you don't know is that to get the figure Ford throws out of $70/hour, you have to include the salaried personell that supervise us and are non-unionized. Apparently they make up our wages. So the last time we asked to have them removed from the floor as we can handle and supervise ourselves. Save Ford a few bucks. They declined our offer. Yep. BS.

Canadian ST..........Exactly. You live within your means. What most people don't get is this will have a trickle down affect on all of you. Other unions won't get pay raises because of the widespread media atttention we are receiving. Hey, the CAW took a pay cut/freeze, you can do the same. We also won't have the extra $$$ to spend doing the extra activites that help boost economies. I thought that was what this package was all about.

Focusguy...when the price of a house in Toronto, the taxes we pay on our homes the cost of overall living in Toronto is the same in Saskatchewan, then I'll take a pay cut. That's the argument the government comes up with all the time. Bring the unionized workers in line with the non-unionized workers. Okay. Fine with us. The workers in Cambridge make $1/hour less than we do. No problem. But the government wants a pay cut to equal workers in Mississippi where taxes are 65% lower than in Ontario, and the cost of a home is less than $50,000 and the overall cost of living is almost 35% cheaper. How can you compare our wages to that? If you lived here, you would understand that any wage under $50k is just getting by. And you would not be owning a home. But you could afford a Focus. A used Focus.

Oscar.......you live in NB where the average cost of a home is half of what it is in TO. The average office worker in NB might make $18-20/hour in NB, but in TO you make $25-28/hour.