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tdot-zx3,Jul 8 2005, 02: Wrote:American soldiers are there because of religion? Thats funny... unless you consider "America" itself a religion... then I could agree.

Actually, Americans are some of the most devout Christians in the world, and when your President peppers just about every State of the Union address with enough religious wording to make any priest perk up his ears, I'm of the mind to say that yes, America itself is quickly becoming the most vocal Christian sect or faction in the world today. They have the force, they have the will to use the force, and they don't care who they have to walk over to proclaim their "love of freedom". Democratizing a dictatorship is a great way to not only gain control of their assets (oil) but to save a few million souls in the process.

Quote:No... the brittish peoples religions on those trains didnt get them killed... nor did the 500,000+ bystanders in the middle east. Your looking at religion again from what they broadcast on the news and TV. It's a very 1 sided view. Ask a mother about her child thats in the war... The last thing youd hear is that he is there because of God or Religion.

Actually, the devout beliefs of those militant terrorists and their constant praising of their god in belief that he will guide their hand is what killed those innocent British people. Actually, to set it to rights, Tony Blair and George W. Bush killed those people. Bush killed those people when he started the march into Iraq with a speech filled with religious overtones. What else would good Islam-following people think when a Zionist overlord rolls 100,000+ troops, tanks, and artillery into their country? It's the Crusades all over again!

Quote:It's atleast 5:1 .. if not more.. nonreligious vs religious related deaths in this "war on terrorism". Don't forget that.

It's all religious. It's religious when they ask God to pray not only for the victims but for the souls of the terrorists. It's religious when the Al-Qaeda groups say "Allah" every fifth word when they're claiming responsibility for bombing this, or murdering that. It's religious when people in one country try to take (take back?) land that their biblical descendants claimed for them, and then the other side says their god or whatever says that they own the land... hence the whole Gaza Strip / West Bank scenario. To say that one side owns that tract of land any more than the other is to essentially acknowledge the religious beliefs of that particular party. By doing so, you risk offending the other side, their beliefs and indeed their religion. What a powderkeg, eh?

Quote:Yes religion has killed more people then anything else in the entire world but this time it's only being used as the skapegoat because just like it's easy to play the race car, it's just as easy to play the religious one.

Why is this time any different? Seriously. We have an advanced technological situation, which has already been distorted and twisted to allow a grave injustice to be perpetuated upon the Iraqi people (we saw WMDs, therefore we conquered). Nothing has changed.

And if nothing else, our entire discussion validates one thing: violence, politics, and religion are hopelessly and indefinitely intertwined. Deny one of the three, and the other two are still more than enough to consume not just one person, but an entire society.