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ZTW... This is fine and all but you blew a small post way out of proportion... Unsure of what your trying to prove by fighting with me... But chill down boy.. theres no need whatsoever...

Im just gonna comment on a couple things...

ZTWsquared,Oct 24 2005, 01:03 AM Wrote:and whether or not influential people in Bush's circle of advisors truly believed he had them, are two subjects that are still open to debate and new discovery. There are a lot of people in this world who know a lot more about this subject than you do, who think that people who believe as you do are naive idiots.

No your misunderstanding...

1. What validity/merit/anything would come out of this 'debate and new discovery'? Has not the truth of this war already been told? What would be the point of this, to say "I told you so"? Would that make things better? Im not sure where/what your trying to prove with this.

2. I think that people who cannot think for themselves and do truely believe what is on american tv and pushed through the media are yes, indeed idiots. This is my IMO as you would like me to say, but it doesnt come without proper reason and isnt that far off the mark at all, you yourself know this, why fight it.

Quote: it's been "fairly obvious" for a lot longer than a year. But thanks for sharing.

Again, it has been. But to people who look to american media solely for answers, it hasnt been! Hell it still isnt for ALOT of people. You had to look deaper before then, and you actually had to think a bit which comes tough for people who turn on CNN and just watch it like its IV'd into their system. Ive been bashing the American government on these forums and making predictions for a long time... Trust me your not proving anything to me that I havent known for a long time by saying that.

I originally posted sarcasm to you because you basically said something that I believe everyone on this forum already knows well about, or should for that matter.

Quote:Saddam has already used them on at least one occasion, and that is a matter of fact.

Which again, is GREAT fuel for the media. The USA has already used them before... How many other countries have used banned weapons, gone against policy.. yada yada... s**t we might as well just go after everyone.

To me this is not a 'good enough' reason at all and doesnt merit going on a wild goose hunt with other motives going on behind the scene... No?

Quote:And if you're going to call people idiots because of their opinion, don't you think you need to back that up with more than just your own opinion? Or does your particular brand of intellectual honesty not include that kind of a notion?

ha ha ha ha ... read on...

Quote:So this is it? You thought about it long and hard and "war is bad" is the grand total of the wisdom you want to share? Why not respond to things that were actually written rather than some imaginary slight of the "other" side.

Did you not read my other post that wasnt even directed at you? Im not talking about war at all in that comment, its in reference to the fact that people NEVER think about whats going on in IRAQ and only think about this from our end. My response and comment again was directed at something else in this thread... Your 'go for the gold lets fight on the internet attitude' made you miss that obviously...

Anyways.. how about you come and talk to my friends that were born in Iraq and still talk to their family on the phones all the time. How about you ask them their opnion on their dead relatives.. dead friends... ? How about you ask them how they cried for their lives when Bush was elected again? How about you ask them about the schools that have been blown up, the public areas, the areas with no trouble at all? How about you ask them how much their lives have changed there and will probably never return to normal again....

I will say it again.

People who do not look at this war from 2 sides are IGNORANT ASSHOLES from my opinion. Grow up and realize how many f-ing lives are being ruined down in the middle east every day because of this s**t. Have we no more dignity anymore, or did we ever for that matter, when it comes to human rights and the priviledges of others? All we can do is sit here and bash people who are fighting for their lives down there and look at them like savages? How is this even considered a valid opinion at all?

Wars like this make me sick. The american media makes me sick. Americans who push for killing (and the canadians that are included in this) make me sick.

If you dont like that opinion.. Go f uck yourself. Because if they came and blew up your family for no reason you sure as hell wouldnt just sit there and look at it from an american perspective. I very much doubt anyone who came home from work to realize their house and family were blown up would be very civil about it.

Thats why I think its stupid to even think about motives and all this other stuff anymore. While we sit and debate wether the wars reasons are justified, more and more peoples lives are being ruined.

Take it how you want.