Hi, Guest
06-19-2004, 05:43 AM
well rob, that's exactly what it is.
they, like almost all shops that make parts for a market like ours do that to keep costs down. mainly because our cars are still so new, who knows if there will still be a tuning market in 5 years or 10 years.
don't forget you come from the mustang market and have had companies in that market for 20 and 30 years. that is a HUGE advantage when it comes to engineering, building and pricing parts for customers.
the arms you just showed me. how long have those been out?
do you think it would be fair to say that the timeless nature of the Mustang market allows companies to design higher quality parts because they know someone will always be fixing up an older stang and will need such parts. thus if they sell them spaced out over 5-20 years years they are not going to loose money.
you have a legitimate reason why YOU don't like FC. i cannot change your mind on them.
but
if you don't like FC for that what about FS? FS doesn't engineer their parts either.
the only difference i see between FC and FS is the way it all went down on FJ.
and FJ mod gets a hood from FC
the hood and packaging was damaged in shipping, his mom signed for it.
he went on the jet and started bashing FC BEFORE even calling up dave to talk about it. because that person was a mod and most of the people on FJ are sheep when it comes to following the mods or people like you rob who know alot more than the average person, they all jumped on the band wagon. people went on a FC witchhunt. now if it was an FS part, randy would have gotten a call and have been given the chance to fix it. but for some strang reason this didn't happen with FC. for whatever reason that mod decided it would serve him best to publicly bash a company who was not only a sponsor but a "Premier Sponsor" just like FS of the forums he was staff on.
that just doesn't make sence.
and to this day FC has carried this stigma.
yes FC did come on at the end of the thread and let a few people have it, but those people were also posting pics of the FC logo with a red circle and line through it like a no smoking sign calling for the "banning of FC"
worst of all, FC got ZERO support for the FJ staff who should have been there keeping s**t civil like they would have done for FS but didn't. what is a company supposed to do in a situation like this?
sit there and take it?
am i saying the arms are good, no, infact after this talk i'm going to talk to dave about them and suggest taking them off the market and recalling the ones that have already been sold.
that's cool, don't buy "Boutique" parts, but at the same time don't stop others from doing so. if they want them or want more power that is often the only option.
even so, there are thousands of of people out there that have FC or any boutique parts that have had no problems with them being designed and not engineered.
what is to be said about those.
i'm not trying to change your mind rob.
i'm trying to change your mind set.
going out and publicly bashing the biggest focus parts company isn't helping our community. other companies are always looking at these forums to see what the community is like. if they see people doing that they will seriously question becoming apart of that community.
but i have agreeed with you can we get onto something other than the conrtol arms. i'm going to talk to dave about it and hopefully get it handled the way you and apparently many others would like to see.
this is the problem i'm talking about.
you cannot expect a company to fix a propblem if the problem is never brought to them.
it's probably a dead solid lock that anywith with the FC arms who has broken them didn't call up FC to complain or warrenty them, they most likely went online and bitched about it and how they would never buy FC parts again.
and i can understand that.
how ever, there is a guy out west in Kelowna who has FC arms and to get the camber he wanted left like 5 threads on the joint inside the arm.
the threads stripped and the wheel went through his fender. he ended up buying a fender from me and now that i'm the FC dist he has plans for alot more FC parts even though his arms broke on him.
i'm even taking car of the arms for him.
if people were more like him then FC might not have the rep it gets today.
as for the headers, what can i say, it was work contracted out. the guys that did it sorta f**ked FC over at the same time. does that make it better or right? NO, but what can be done now?
FC has tried their best to get every defective header back in and replaced with new one without these issues.
and FS did have issues with wleds cracking, why do you think they don't sell the shorty header anymore?
and i didn't say 5x more to builtd better arms i said 5x more to build the best arms. but like i said before, they are from different markets so costs do not work the same.
this is the exact kind of stuff i was hoping for.
thank you rob.
they, like almost all shops that make parts for a market like ours do that to keep costs down. mainly because our cars are still so new, who knows if there will still be a tuning market in 5 years or 10 years.
don't forget you come from the mustang market and have had companies in that market for 20 and 30 years. that is a HUGE advantage when it comes to engineering, building and pricing parts for customers.
the arms you just showed me. how long have those been out?
do you think it would be fair to say that the timeless nature of the Mustang market allows companies to design higher quality parts because they know someone will always be fixing up an older stang and will need such parts. thus if they sell them spaced out over 5-20 years years they are not going to loose money.
you have a legitimate reason why YOU don't like FC. i cannot change your mind on them.
but
if you don't like FC for that what about FS? FS doesn't engineer their parts either.
the only difference i see between FC and FS is the way it all went down on FJ.
and FJ mod gets a hood from FC
the hood and packaging was damaged in shipping, his mom signed for it.
he went on the jet and started bashing FC BEFORE even calling up dave to talk about it. because that person was a mod and most of the people on FJ are sheep when it comes to following the mods or people like you rob who know alot more than the average person, they all jumped on the band wagon. people went on a FC witchhunt. now if it was an FS part, randy would have gotten a call and have been given the chance to fix it. but for some strang reason this didn't happen with FC. for whatever reason that mod decided it would serve him best to publicly bash a company who was not only a sponsor but a "Premier Sponsor" just like FS of the forums he was staff on.
that just doesn't make sence.
and to this day FC has carried this stigma.
yes FC did come on at the end of the thread and let a few people have it, but those people were also posting pics of the FC logo with a red circle and line through it like a no smoking sign calling for the "banning of FC"
worst of all, FC got ZERO support for the FJ staff who should have been there keeping s**t civil like they would have done for FS but didn't. what is a company supposed to do in a situation like this?
sit there and take it?
am i saying the arms are good, no, infact after this talk i'm going to talk to dave about them and suggest taking them off the market and recalling the ones that have already been sold.
that's cool, don't buy "Boutique" parts, but at the same time don't stop others from doing so. if they want them or want more power that is often the only option.
even so, there are thousands of of people out there that have FC or any boutique parts that have had no problems with them being designed and not engineered.
what is to be said about those.
i'm not trying to change your mind rob.
i'm trying to change your mind set.
going out and publicly bashing the biggest focus parts company isn't helping our community. other companies are always looking at these forums to see what the community is like. if they see people doing that they will seriously question becoming apart of that community.
but i have agreeed with you can we get onto something other than the conrtol arms. i'm going to talk to dave about it and hopefully get it handled the way you and apparently many others would like to see.
this is the problem i'm talking about.
you cannot expect a company to fix a propblem if the problem is never brought to them.
it's probably a dead solid lock that anywith with the FC arms who has broken them didn't call up FC to complain or warrenty them, they most likely went online and bitched about it and how they would never buy FC parts again.
and i can understand that.
how ever, there is a guy out west in Kelowna who has FC arms and to get the camber he wanted left like 5 threads on the joint inside the arm.
the threads stripped and the wheel went through his fender. he ended up buying a fender from me and now that i'm the FC dist he has plans for alot more FC parts even though his arms broke on him.
i'm even taking car of the arms for him.
if people were more like him then FC might not have the rep it gets today.
as for the headers, what can i say, it was work contracted out. the guys that did it sorta f**ked FC over at the same time. does that make it better or right? NO, but what can be done now?
FC has tried their best to get every defective header back in and replaced with new one without these issues.
and FS did have issues with wleds cracking, why do you think they don't sell the shorty header anymore?
and i didn't say 5x more to builtd better arms i said 5x more to build the best arms. but like i said before, they are from different markets so costs do not work the same.
this is the exact kind of stuff i was hoping for.
thank you rob.