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OAC_Sparky,Feb 15 2006, 01:15 PM Wrote:But you see, this is where you have it backwards.

Rather than looking at the situation from "well, I don't have it, why should they?" look at it as "too bad I don't have a unified voice bargaining on my behalf to keep companies from reaping profit at the expense and sufferring of their employees (or worse yet, their retirees)". A union would have fought to keep the company from raping their retirees.

Or is IBM unprofitable?

I don't blindly agree with everything that unions do, but I'll take one over not having one.

On topic, good luck with the test.
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I'm on the inverse of that. My little brother was in some BS union when the No Frills he was working for decided to "lay off" people, even after being lauded by the boss as one of the most flexible and dependable guys there.

Unions promote everyone, retain the un-needed, and protect the guilty from instant recriminations for their actions. Why else is the term "city road crew" or "Toronto construction worker" a slur? Because you see 5 guys standing around watching 1 guy dig a hole. Your tax dollars pay for each of them to stand there, however.

Also, I have a jackass brother-in-law who can't check his own oil in his car, but he's unionized and receives a wage increase at set intervals regardless of merit or performance aside from minimums. He's a pipefitter / welder apprentice, and if any serious company knew how stupid he really was - they'd fire him on the spot for a gross lack of competence. But now that he's hired, he can't be fired unless he meets some wacky criteria, and he knows it. Every time we lower our IQ going to my wife's sister's place... I can feel the rage building up. This is the same guy that commented that his engine bay was dirty (clean it, asshole!) and "Is that my exhaust?" - while pointing to his intake hose on his 350 V8. *sighs*

Unions and solidarity are grade-school gang antics that appeal to blue-collar workers who haven't got a hope in hell of getting by in the working world on their own, on their own merits. I'll have worked in the same office now (with promotions) for 4 years this summer, successfully garnering raises regularly due to MERIT, PERFORMANCE and CREDIBILITY... all without the aid of a union. I'm offered yearly training because they WANT me to stay, not because they have to train me. My company's under no such obligations. Same for the benefits and pension contributions.

If someone said they were unionizing this office, I'd flip the union monkey the bird while chewing out the retard that invited such madness while walking for the door.

Legislation is what's needed to ensure that PUBLICLY-PAID employees are treated fairly, all the while protecting taxpayers' dollars. I saw my brother's pay stub while in Toronto in January, and I got to see what they took off a kid that worked as a stock boy, albeit supervisor with a tad more pay. It completely negated his bonus as a shift leader. I guarantee you they were making less than non-union counterparts (I have friends that work for stores here in NB and area that aren't unionized... yet), but they were being led to believe they were making more. That's wrong. But the union execs don't care as long as they're being paid to negotiate ludicrous terms in exchange for a healthy salary.

Sorry, but that's my opinion. And that's not even public employees.