Hi, Guest
02-16-2006, 11:00 PM
Actually, I've got relatives that are OPP, Toronto cops, and old friends that used to be East York Fire. Not sure if the latter stuck around years ago.
The cops don't have a "safe workplace". They're cops. They never WILL have a safe workplace so long as criminals walk the streets.
As for the guys off work... half of my freaking CPA (Computer Programmer / Analyst) class in 2000 was guys that were PAID to be there by the gov't on retraining because they had injured themselves and were "entitled" to go back and make a similar wage. Less than half of that entire class graduated. Same thing when I transferred over to Computer Systems Technician / Networking after a year of CPA. Some guys were my age and under (23), the rest were anywhere from 28-52! Out of 68-75 students in 2 classes we graduated in the 30s. Now those of us that ARE working are paying for all those tards that didn't graduate / find a job.
I STILL see one guy from my CSTN course at the mall almost every month... he tries the same old trick again and again - tries to hand me a resume, and then when I ask him how his job search is going... "I've done a bit lately, don't feel like moving, not sure I want to be tied down anywhere"...
I've seen it on both sides of the fence, although TBH I've never been employed and part of a union. I'm sure that "back in the day" they were important and helpful to the common person, regardless of their field of work or creed.
I just simply refuse to believe that unions in their current context are a "Good Thing" ™. I really do.
My cousin is actually the Manager of IT for the City of North Bay. He's a pretty cool guy, and while he's not unionized (or perhaps he still is), most of his hands-on staff are. They seem to do their job for the most part, but the lack of enthusiasm is obvious.
Our IT department, on the other hand, is rather vibrant. We're trained, largely respected and not taken for granted, and we enjoy coming to work each day. I actually look forward to work more now than when I started, and I was the typical office newb when I started.
I guess I'm just trying to say that unions are an antiquated dinosaur that a few good people still believe they need (and don't) and the rest just ride along on their coattails (and shouldn't). :)
The cops don't have a "safe workplace". They're cops. They never WILL have a safe workplace so long as criminals walk the streets.
As for the guys off work... half of my freaking CPA (Computer Programmer / Analyst) class in 2000 was guys that were PAID to be there by the gov't on retraining because they had injured themselves and were "entitled" to go back and make a similar wage. Less than half of that entire class graduated. Same thing when I transferred over to Computer Systems Technician / Networking after a year of CPA. Some guys were my age and under (23), the rest were anywhere from 28-52! Out of 68-75 students in 2 classes we graduated in the 30s. Now those of us that ARE working are paying for all those tards that didn't graduate / find a job.
I STILL see one guy from my CSTN course at the mall almost every month... he tries the same old trick again and again - tries to hand me a resume, and then when I ask him how his job search is going... "I've done a bit lately, don't feel like moving, not sure I want to be tied down anywhere"...
I've seen it on both sides of the fence, although TBH I've never been employed and part of a union. I'm sure that "back in the day" they were important and helpful to the common person, regardless of their field of work or creed.
I just simply refuse to believe that unions in their current context are a "Good Thing" ™. I really do.
My cousin is actually the Manager of IT for the City of North Bay. He's a pretty cool guy, and while he's not unionized (or perhaps he still is), most of his hands-on staff are. They seem to do their job for the most part, but the lack of enthusiasm is obvious.
Our IT department, on the other hand, is rather vibrant. We're trained, largely respected and not taken for granted, and we enjoy coming to work each day. I actually look forward to work more now than when I started, and I was the typical office newb when I started.
I guess I'm just trying to say that unions are an antiquated dinosaur that a few good people still believe they need (and don't) and the rest just ride along on their coattails (and shouldn't). :)
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