[darkpuppet]

actually, there's a company out of Niagara that will, for a few hundred bucks take you up in a stunt plane..and you get to fly and or participate in a simulated dog fight with your buddies.

It includes a whole load of instruction, an hour or so of flight, with you given controls for a portion of that..

I so want to do that.

let's see if I can toss this in a flatspin the instructor can't get out of!