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NOS2Go4Me,Mar 22 2006, 03:12 PM Wrote:One... more... time for the special ed class.

They're welcome to be whoever they want to be with whoever they want to be with. However, for those of us who are traditionalists and those who perceive marriage as an institution... we don't want to see marriage redefined. Period.

and how would allowing gays to legally marry change the institution of marriage?

Quote:This goes beyond politically correct, which is absurd in enough cases all on its own. This now means that anything that stands in this world as an entity is no longer sacred. Marriage is more than a ceremony, it has existed for thousands of years.

you're right...it is, but if you were married as the centuries old, untouched institution goes can I ask these questions about your marriage?

- who paid the dowry?
- at what age did your parents arrange your marriage?
- is your wife an equal partner as per egyptian rules? or is she not allowed to vote and required to stay in the kitchen and raise the children?
- and if your sister's husband dies, are you required to marry your sister in law?

that last Hebrew tradition of the institution of marriage was around long before Christians tied it marriage in with the bible. But marriage has been around for centuries before Jesus was born, how the hell did Moses and Mary get married under the witness and saving grace of Jesus if nobody knew of him yet?

The institution of marriage throughout the centuries has been a system of rules to handle the granting of property rights, and the protection of bloodlines, as well as the perpetuation of the species.

Today, people are getting married and not having kids (where's yours?), aren't doing it to perpetuate the bloodlines (is your wife royalty?).. so you have a larger group of people ignoring 2/3rds the equation, and they're not even gay?!

Sure, you may be stuck in the 1500's, but the rest of societ moves on, and you better get used to it (quick). The fact that they're doing you no harm other than getting you worried you'd have to marry your brother-in-law's husband if he should die as outlined in hebrew law just doesn't cut it.

be against it all you want, but don't be surprised if you're the only one getting upset by it.

Quote:If gay marriages were meant to be taking place, they would have rightfully been part of society for far longer than you or I have walked the earth. But they haven't.

As far as I'm concerned, it's just as proper a question for a straight person to ask "why" as it is for a gay person to ask "why not".

it's an excuse for you to allow your discomforts to shape your thoughts. A lot of things haven't been a part of society in the past.. equal rights to women, interracial marriages, etc... but guess what? society moved on and evolved.

Quote:They've already got the same benefits in most cases. Why change marriage? Changing marriage won't change how they're treated or perceived in the world. Changing marriage won't magically make everyone believe that what they are doing is right if they didn't feel that way before. It's not a cure-all panacea.

they're not changing marriage! they just want to get the recognized rights associated with it. But people hold steadfast to the word association, and stop thinking about human beings being treated like second class citizens because they love each other, but don't like the same person as you.

Quote:That's what I am saying. Get it? Good. If not, quit attempting to stir s*** and STFU.

And Steve, to insinuate that I would lock my brother-in-law in a sewer is ludicrous. I'm appalled you'd even mention that. And I don't perceive the damn parade as an affront to marriage. How the heck did you figure that? I said I don't approve of their "we're gay and we're here and we're in your face" actions and mentality. That's what I saw and that's what I didn't approve of... and still don't. It's as simple as that.

I believe Anthony alluded to your selective reading skills....

because you're doing it again... you bash the parade because it's a debauche lifestyle that goes against your beliefs. Like gay marriage... you made the connection, and if everyone but you has made that connection, then it is you who's not stated your position clearly. YOu say you love your brother-in-law, but that he's not entitled to the same life you have.

You've presented ZERO factual evidence that supports any of your arguments. ZERO.. you have not given me any reason why gay marriages are bad, or why the pride parade is any worse than any other street party and/or festival.

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at this point, I'll take that as a compliment. it means a ) you're not getting your way and b ) you'd rather mock the site than sit down and form a well-informed and well-thought out argument.

I'll accept that you're uncomfortable with the gay lifestyle, so am I. The difference is that I can rationally discuss things that have zero effect on my life, while you make everything personal.