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ZX3TUNING,Oct 5 2006, 12:52 AM Wrote:I'm not sure what is special about running high 14s with a turbo...?
i cracked into the 14s back in `00 while NA and with less than 150fwhp and 145lb/ft.

It is nothing special, we were just comparing our times. :rolleyes:  My better time was 14.2@101mph, with the new tune, Im hoping for high 13's.  Just havent been able to hit the track yet.

Quote:Easy of install of any kit is all the in the kit.
a PWSC takes abour 14-18hours first time, i do it in about 10hours now.
JRSC's claim 10hours but usually it takes 12-14hours.
Vortech claimed 17hours but takes more like 30hours unless you have installed a ton of them.
Most turbo kits take about 14hours according to most sites.

there are always varriables to consider; broken parts, rusted bolts/nuts, retapping threads/holes.

I agree, especially on the bolt part, right now I could probable take off and re-install MY kit in less than 4 hours.

Quote:As for performance, it's always interesting to see Turbo guys tout turbo's being easier to upgrade and have a higher limit.
Not always the truth.
with any system you will outgrow components and there is always a limit for how much boost a engine will take, turbo or SC.

simple facts are at about 250fwhp you are reaching the "safe" limits of wehat a Stock Zetec can hold. tuning aside, more than 250 and you are pushing your luck and that goes for turbo or NA.
"well with a Turbo it's easier to get more power and for cheaper, you just have to flip a switch or turn a nob and turn up the boost!"
while this is true, to a point, it also is not true.
flipping said switch or turning a nob only works if the tuning is there first. tuning for a dual level boost costs more and needs to be done BEFORE you turn up the boost.

with the PWSC, we are getting 250fwhp and 210lb/ft with a full exhaust (like you would have with a turbo), our cams and a retune on the stock PW 12psi pully with more power left on tap with a more agressive tune. without the retune we were seeing 10lb/ft less on stock PW tuning.... Pretty simple power.

So, you said what we already said, tuning, tuning, tuning. If your turning up the boost without proper tuning and turnign it up to high, then your an idiot anyways, and obviously didnt do your homework. I bought a elec boost controller for the car to turn up the boost, I can probably go as high as 15psi with the td05, but wont obviously until I forge the block. And that 15psi is reached with a turn of a button, not dismantling your pulleys and reinstalling something else.

What I love is I can set my boost at 9psi for everyday driving, then throw it up to 12 when i hit the track. Lets see a SC do that with a flick of a switch, then bring it back down for the ride home. I can run 9psi at the track while spinning 1 & 2, then hit 12-13psi, once I get traction. I wanna see a SC do that.

My car has stock internals. Nothing done to it, 9psi its putting down over 200Whp/trq. Im sure with cams, and a retune Id be in your territory also.

Quote:"oh but your SC will max out before my Turbo!"

the M62 blower in the PWSC and SVT JRSC will push 18psi, however the JRSC wont do it well without intercooling.
18psi on a built motor, the right internals and a good tune will see 300+fwhp out of a PWSC.

with a T25, you are going to be maxing out your turbo at around 240-260fwhp.
i'm not familiar enough with the td05 to be able to comment on it...
the average turbo that works well with the focus in street trim will peak out at about 250-280fwhp, a few will push 300 and very few will push up to 350, well atleast that come with off "KITS".

Depending on turbos your right. Bering and I's are NOT the best example to use. Now if we were talking a t3 or a 16g in my case, it would change you whole argument. Plus I'm willing to bet that the T25 could get you close to 300whp out of an SVT focus with proper tuning also. It wouldnt be the most efficient turbo to achive that, you would obviously go with a bigger turbo if yor aiming for 300whp out of an svtf. I would be surprised that soembody that did their homework picked the JR to get 300whp. That doesnt make sense to me, I would get something IC, and runs less psi to get those numbers. 18psi out of a JR into a svtf doesnt sound reliable to me.

With a 16G turbo, proper tuning, built engine, 300whp shouldnt be a problem, we'll see soon anuff, heh. :D


Turbos ARE better B) :P

Ive driven both SC and turbo foci's, and I'll take my boost through a turbo anyday over a sc. :D :D