[laidman]

OAC_Sparky,Feb 28 2006, 07:13 AM Wrote:

laidman,Feb 28 2006, 12:17 AM Wrote:Then it starts on the nasty, by talking about unions...........well I guess we hit a sensitive spot for some people.  And as the two or how ever many of you that were arguing about the unions, give it a rest please.  Yes unions are good to have in certain situations, but not in others.  People like me are probaably split down the middle for being for or against unions.  Me I am opposed to them in tool shops, they are unneeded, yes I did just get laid off, would that have helped my situation any who knows.  Please can we just be civil about this.  Now kiss and make up, or shake hands, or give each other a round or what ever.  Just be nice
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Laidman, it doesn't matter to me what opinion people have about unions. It's like opinions on religion, gays, or what have you. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to put people down that belong to one. I would have reacted the same if someone was bashing a gay member or a Muslim or Christian member. The assertion of "a Union's skirt" was just plain idiotic.

I work for Ford, there is a union there. Do I personally need one? Probably not -- at least from the standpoint of being a slacker and needing protection. My work ethic is quite fine, thank you; I work for the most part unsupervised, in fact I often ask supervisors NOT to interfere because it negatively affects job performance.

Is one needed? I believe so. Unions aren't needed when you have good management. While there are a few good managers, generally management at Ford is not good.

Enough said.

I'm sorry about your thread. Some things needed to be said, but it's over now. IMO there was no reason to lock it down, the horses were already out and across the pasture and down the meadow already. ;)
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MY Dad works at Ford's here in Windsor. He has for 28 years now. He has gone through the recession back in the 80's, and even though all the Windsor plants seem to be going out of business, he keeps preaching the union bid. I'm not saying unions are bad, they do great things, all for the better for the employee. Someone to go to bat for you against the employer. I get that, but when come contract time comes up and and wages are the issue, or hours worked, or production gets thrown into the mix, it gets all crazy. I'm sorry, some of the workers there DO NOT deserve the wages they recieve. $30/hour for a line worker BS. Skill trades yes, they have skills, they have real work, and a thought process more than thighten a bolt, thighten a bolt, thighten a bolt, thighten a bolt.

Iam I happy that they make that kind of money yes, but don't complain that you deserve more money each year. I guess if I was there maybe I may feel the same way. In my business, I work hard, I went to school for my trade, and had bitch and moan to get where I am today. In my trade you can max out at what you do. And unfortunately I am almost there. There are guys who have been at the same wage for the last 2 years. Why??? because they don't want to take that next step, and persue something, and take more of a leadership position.

You know whats stupid, Even though I no longer work there, I wish I get called back. Even though the same things will not change, I want back in. I really enjoy working with the other guys. f*** the boss'. The atmossphere is what I liked the best. Now I have to move on, be that new guy all over again. Dammit I hate having to move.