[smith21]

ok, now i'm confused, i was looking at this pioneer on future shops web site, offers basically the same power as the alpine that i'm looking at, at this local shop here in sudbury. Now my question is, should i chose this pioneer amp, or the alpine?

Alpine specs.

Features:
General-Amplifiers

Bass EQ
Selectable Crossover (LP)
Subsonic Filter
1 Channel Operation
Advanced Class-D
Bass EngineÂ
Continuously Adjustable Gain Control
Cross-Vented Chassis Design
DC-DC PWM Power Supply
Dual Sided Glass Epoxy PC Board
Gold Plated Power Screw Terminals
Gold Plated RCA Input Connectors
Gold Plated Speaker Screw Terminals
MOSFET Power Supply
Speaker Level Inputs
Thermal Managment Processor
Top Mounted Blue LED Power/Status Indicator

Specs:
Bass EngineÂ

Bass EQ Frequency (Fixed) : 50Hz
Bass EQ Level (Selectable) : 0 - 12dB
Crossover Type : 24dB/Octave Low Pass
Low Pass Crossover Frequency (Selectable) : 50Hz - 200Hz (1/6 oct. Steps)
Subsonic Filter Range : 15Hz
General-Amplifiers

Foot Print (WxHxD)in : 9-1/2” x 2-5/16” x 10-1/2”
Foot Print (WxHxD)mm : 241mm x 60mm x 233mm
Frequency Reponse : 20Hz-200Hz (±1dB)
Heat Sink (WxHxD)in : 9-1/2" x 2-5/16" x 9-1/8"
Heat Sink (WxHxD)mm : 241mm x 60mm x 232mm
Input Impedance : 10k ohm
Input Sensitivity (for rated power) : 0.2V - 4.0V (1.0 at center detent)
Power Requirements : 14.4V DC (11V to 16V)
Signal to Noise (S/N) : 90dBA (referenced to rated power)
Slew Factor : greater than 5
Speaker Impedance : 4 or 2 ohms
Weight : 2.42kg

MAX Power (at 14.4V,EIAJ)

Brigded into 2 ohms : 700W x 1
RMS Power (at 14.4V,20Hz-20kHz)

Per channel into 2 ohms : 350W x 1 (0.3%)
Per channel into 4 ohms : 200W x 1 (0.08%)


and pioneer specs

Pioneer's GM-7100-M 1-Channel Car Amplifier is a solid performer. Its peak power of 800 watts or 360 watts x 1 RMS will ensure your music is delivered with strong clean power. More Info

WebID: 10059963
Mfr. Part Number: GM-7100-M
# Of Channels 1
1 OHM Output Power - Full Range Info Not Available
14.4V Dynamic Power At 2 Ohms Info Not Available
2 OHM Output Power - Full Range 360 Watts
4 OHM Output Power - Full Range 250 Watts
Bass Boost Yes
Bridgeable Yes
Bridged Power At 2 OHMS - Full Range 360 Watts
Bridged Power At 4 OHMS - Full Range 360 Watts
External Bass Control Capable No
Fuse Rating (Amps) 25 Amps
High Pass Filter No
Included In Box Screws, Manual
Input Voltage 13.5 Volts
Low Pass Filter Variable
Mosfet Switching Yes
Overload Protection Yes
Product Dimensions 43.5(W) x 11.0(H) x 37.8(D) cm
Product Weight 5.7 kg
Protection Indicator Yes
RCA Inputs (#Pairs) 1
RCA Outputs (#Pairs) 1
Screw Type Terminals Yes
Signal to Noise Ratio 100dB
Smart Engage Turn-On No
Speaker LVL Inputs Yes
Total Max Power 800 Watts
Tri-Mode Capable No
Warranty 1 Year Parts & Labour



More Information


FEATURES:

CEA Power Ratings: 250W x 1(4W) & 360W x 1(2W)

Speaker Level Inputs

Oversized Power Terminals
Blue Power LED


now my prob with this is, that the pioneer is almost 100 cheaper than the alpine, but i'm looking for somethign that will last, and have never baught ANYTHING pioneer, and trust alpine. The alpine amp is also a V-powe series amp, and can be found at www.alpine-usa.com and the pioneer, on future shop's web site. Thanks guys, any input would be awsome!

[Mason]

This is the first year Pioneer re-vamped the design of there amp. So basicly your buying the new proto-type. Ive hear a few people complain about the pioneer but Alpine Equipment will last for a long time.

I would go Alpine given the choice.

[NOS2Go4Me]

Given Pioneer's penchant for performance, I'd take the Pioneer amp myself.

[focusonthis88]

Alpine! If you want't to buy Pioneer go with the Premier brand of Pioneer.

[Mason]

focusonthis_88,Aug 5 2005, 10:05 AM Wrote:Alpine!  If you want't to buy Pioneer go with the Premier brand of Pioneer.
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I agree normally with the Pioneer products being good but they just re-designed. I dont by anything that hasnt been out at least a year.

[Oscar The Grouch]

Brian,

What shop are you thinking about? I went to Bianco's in Sudbury and the guys there were pretty good for Alpine stuff. They even gave me a good deal for a set of 4 Alpine 570 Type S speakers (5x7's) for the focus. 300.00 tax in i beleive.

When I went to Futurescrap, they told me they had one pair of 5x7's in stock and didn't want to budge on the price, plus they were regular Pioneers.

Dude, do yourself a favor, avoid Futurescrap for car audio.

[focusonthis88]

Oscar The Grouch,Aug 5 2005, 12:49 PM Wrote:Dude, do yourself a favor, avoid Futurescrap for car audio.
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Can't agree more!!!! And stay away from Tire Crap has well!

[smith21]

thanks guys..i was leaning for the alpine, but would have rather saved some coin for other things, but if you guys say stay away, i'll stay away

[Drivesthebeast]

Get a JBL amp. If you want an amp that will drive your sub without breaking a sweat, and also have excellent SQ reproduction. Only thing is, they are pricey compared to the Alpines.

Umm between the two amps your looking at though...I'd choose the Alpine over the Pioneer. Also, you don't want Pioneer 5x7's...at least not the standard series ones. Sure they are stupid loud (or can be), but the SQ isn't there...well, to MY ears anyways...

[scoobasteve]

alpine all the way